The Braintrust "Driving Change" Podcast

The Manager Tax- Stop Paying it! With Jack Skeels


Listen Later

CEO/author Jack Skeels flips conventional management on its head. He explains the hidden “manager tax,” why meetings crush output, and how to replace control-heavy habits with lightweight leadership using two practical frameworks: ACE (Authority–Control–Empowerment) and Why → What → Go → Grow. You’ll hear how five-person teams can self-manage, why communication pace matters (“the speed of knowing is faster than the speed of understanding”), and how small AI pods are beating top-down AI rollouts.

In this episode, Jack reveals how to cut that hidden “manager tax,” empower teams to self-manage, and even make AI work where most companies fail. If you lead people—or want to escape being led badly—you’ll walk away with a playbook to boost performance, reduce burnout, and unlock growth.

  1. The Manager Tax is real: More managerial intensity → lower intrinsic productivity (especially via meetings).

  2. Meetings are expensive: A single manager’s calendar can quietly remove dozens of productive hours from the org each week.

  3. Lead, don’t over-manage: Replace “control” with framing + empowerment.

  4. ACE model: Leaders provide Authority (facts, constraints) and Empowerment (resources). Teams own Control (how work gets done).

  5. Why/What before Go: Nail shared context (Why) and clarity of outcomes (What) to minimize management during Go.

  6. Grow is ongoing: Managers coach skills and opportunities; they don’t micromanage tasks.

  7. Socratic unfolding: Let teams pull information via questions to build true, shared understanding.

  8. Communication velocity trap: You can explain faster than others can understand; slow is smooth, smooth is fast.

  9. Promote generalists to manage: “Best specialists” often over-control; strong generalists tend to under-manage (good!).

  10. AI works in pods: Small, empowered cross-functional teams adopting AI beat big top-down programs (faster cycle time, less labor).

    • 00:00 – Setup & intention of the show

    • 03:25 – Jack’s origin story: from robotics to reluctant manager

    • 12:58 – The Manager Tax: why more management = less output

    • 17:24 – Leadership vs management; where to draw the line

    • 20:14 – ACE (Authority–Control–Empowerment) explained

    • 29:35 – Why → What → Go → Grow and real span-of-control numbers

    • 34:34 – Generations, role design, and promoting the right people

    • 38:28 – Communication as the #1 success factor

    • 40:29 – “Speed of knowing vs speed of understanding”

    • 42:27 – AI Pods: structure-first AI (time & labor cuts)

    • 46:54 – Where to find Jack + closing

      • Book: Unmanaged: Master the Magic of Creating Empowered and Happy Organizations — available on Amazon

      • Website: bettercompany.co (rebrand; also reachable via agencyagile.com)

        Why You Should Listen
        Top 10 TakeawaysChapter Markings (topic-based)Links Mentioned by the GuestLinkedIn: Jack Skeels (connect & follow his posts)

        ...more
        View all episodesView all episodes
        Download on the App Store

        The Braintrust "Driving Change" PodcastBy Evergreen Podcasts

        • 4.8
        • 4.8
        • 4.8
        • 4.8
        • 4.8

        4.8

        31 ratings


        More shows like The Braintrust "Driving Change" Podcast

        View all
        The Joe Rogan Experience by Joe Rogan

        The Joe Rogan Experience

        229,020 Listeners

        REAL AF with Andy Frisella by Andy Frisella

        REAL AF with Andy Frisella

        419 Listeners

        The Daily by The New York Times

        The Daily

        112,858 Listeners

        Front Row Seat with Ken Coleman by Ramsey Network

        Front Row Seat with Ken Coleman

        2,618 Listeners

        The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett by DOAC

        The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett

        8,669 Listeners

        Worklife with Adam Grant by TED

        Worklife with Adam Grant

        9,159 Listeners

        The Peter Attia Drive by Peter Attia, MD

        The Peter Attia Drive

        8,631 Listeners

        All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg by All-In Podcast, LLC

        All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg

        10,073 Listeners

        A Bit of Optimism by Simon Sinek

        A Bit of Optimism

        2,181 Listeners

        The Adversity Advantage with Doug Bopst by Doug Bopst

        The Adversity Advantage with Doug Bopst

        349 Listeners

        PBD Podcast by PBD Podcast

        PBD Podcast

        4,380 Listeners

        The Megyn Kelly Show by SiriusXM

        The Megyn Kelly Show

        40,558 Listeners

        The Ezra Klein Show by New York Times Opinion

        The Ezra Klein Show

        16,173 Listeners

        Money For Couples with Ramit Sethi by Ramit Sethi

        Money For Couples with Ramit Sethi

        3,444 Listeners

        The Tucker Carlson Show by Tucker Carlson Network

        The Tucker Carlson Show

        17,008 Listeners