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This episode is brought to you by Peak Performers, a nonprofit staffing agency that champions professionals with disabilities. Learn more at www.peakperformers.org.
This week on the Love in Action Podcast, I welcomed back Bob Chapman and Raj Sisodia for a powerful conversation about what happens when leadership is rooted in genuine care. We talk about the 10th anniversary edition of their seminal classic, Everybody Matters, and why the book and movement continue to resonate around the world. We break down why people-centered leadership is more urgent than ever, and how treating people with care, dignity, and respect isn’t just the right thing to do, it’s what builds strong, resilient organizations. If you care about creating workplaces where people actually thrive, this episode is for you.
BOB CHAPMAN is the chairman of Barry-Wehmiller. A sought-after speaker on human-centered leadership, business growth, sustained performance, and culture transformation, Chapman strives to use his business leadership platform to build a better world.
RAJ SISODIA is a cofounder of the Conscious Capitalism movement and a pioneering voice in the global business renaissance. He is the author or coauthor of 16 books, including The New York Times bestseller Conscious Capitalism (with John P. Mackey of Whole Foods Market).
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Timestamps:
00:00:03 Opening and introduction of Bob Chapman and Raj Sisodia
00:02:33 Tenth anniversary of Everybody Matters and why it still matters
00:06:01 Origin story and why the book had to be written
00:08:02 Lessons from a decade of impact and stress testing through crisis
00:11:24 How leadership at work shapes health, marriage, and family life
00:16:15 What business schools still get wrong about leadership and purpose
00:21:08 How Everybody Matters deepened the idea of conscious capitalism
00:25:22 What Truly Human Leadership really means beyond just being nice
00:30:30 Stories of companies transformed by caring cultures
00:34:04 Why the wrong people often rise and how to rethink who becomes a leader
00:39:20 A message that can heal business, education, and society
00:44:18 Love, leadership, and practical caring in everyday management
00:46:00 Conclusion
Conclusion:
This conversation shows that leadership is not about titles or metrics, but about the lives entrusted to you. Bob and Raj reveal that when leaders choose to care, organizations do not just perform better; people become healthier, more hopeful, and more connected at home. They challenge the prevailing belief that profit must come before people and instead show how human dignity and strong business performance can reinforce each other. The episode also exposes how our education and promotion systems neglect the human side of work, and why teaching caring skills is no longer optional. In the end, listeners are invited to see business as a profound opportunity to practice love in action so that, in every workplace, everybody truly matters.
Links/Resources:
The Book: https://www.amazon.com/Everybody-Matters-Extraordinary-Caring-People/dp/1591847796/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0
Bob Chapman - https://www.linkedin.com/in/bob-chapman-89b936b8/
Raj Sisodia - https://rajsisodia.com/
Barry-Wehmiller - https://www.barrywehmiller.com/
Conscious Capitalism - https://www.consciouscapitalism.org/
Truly Human Leadership - https://www.barrywehmiller.com/blog
Bob Chapman, Episode #6: https://www.marcelschwantes.com/bob-chapman/
Raj Sisodia, Episode #36: https://www.marcelschwantes.com/raj-sisodia/
Substack: https://marcelschwantes.substack.com/
Episode recap
This episode is brought to you by Peak Performers, a nonprofit staffing agency that champions professionals with disabilities. Learn more at www.peakperformers.org
If you’ve ever wondered what shaped Ken Blanchard into one of the most trusted leadership voices of our time, this episode offers a rare behind-the-scenes look. I sat down with Martha Lawrence—Ken’s longtime friend, collaborator, and biographer—and what unfolded was a rich mix of humor, history, and heart. In her new book, “Catch People Doing Things Right: How Ken Blanchard Changed the Way the World Leads,” Martha reveal the real Ken. She walks through her own journey as well—how a post-9/11 turning point led her to Blanchard’s organization and eventually to writing the definitive biography that captures his wisdom, quirks, and quiet resilience.
Bio
A former editor at Simon & Schuster and Harcourt, Martha C. Lawrence has shaped the voices of some of the world’s most successful thought leaders. As executive editor at Blanchard, she has collaborated with Ken Blanchard for more than 20 years. Her editing credits include multimillion-copy bestsellers and #1 New York Times titles. Lawrence is passionate about leadership, storytelling, and capturing legacies that matter. She is the author “Catch People Doing Things Right: How Ken Blanchard Changed the Way the World Leads.”
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Timestamps:
0:00:00 — Sponsor Message & Podcast Welcome
0:01:30 — Marcel introduces Ken Blanchard's influence and today’s theme
0:02:30 — Introducing guest Martha C. Lawrence and her background
0:05:00 — Martha shares her story and career path
0:07:30 — Martha discusses overcoming personal adversity
0:10:54 — How Martha began working with Ken Blanchard
0:12:54 — Inspiration to write Ken’s biography
0:16:09 — Ken’s connections and meeting Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
0:19:33 — How Ken’s parents shaped his leadership values
0:21:21 — The inverted pyramid and servant leadership explained
0:23:13 — Ken’s mentors, co-authors, and learning philosophy
0:25:07 — Ken’s personal and professional setbacks
0:27:38 — Ken’s humor and breaking the rules
0:31:26 — The evolution of Ken’s servant leadership philosophy
0:33:39 — "The One Minute Manager"—origins and impact
0:35:54 — Are the principles of "The One Minute Manager" still relevant?
0:37:51 — Research and surprises from Ken's archives
0:39:57 — Including love in leadership and chapter discussion
0:42:42 — What readers can gain from the book; catching people doing things right
0:45:08 — Distinguishing between care and love in leadership
0:47:39 — Speed Round: What makes Martha smile, her inspirations, and hopes
0:53:33 — The big takeaway: Leadership is love
0:54:25 — Where to find Martha and Ken’s resources online
0:55:01 — Closing gratitude and episode wrap-up
Conclusion:
The stories shared in this episode remind us that genuine leadership is shaped by humility, resilience, and compassion. Ken Blanchard’s journey proves that success is rooted as much in character as in achievement. Martha’s perspective brings to life the transformative effect of working alongside a true role model. Their experiences illustrate that lifting other and embracing authenticity can leave a legacy that outlasts any title. As you move forward, ask yourself: how can you lead with more heart in your own life and work?
Links/Resources:
www.marthalawrence.com
www.blanchard.com
www.kenblanchardbooks.com
Episode #3: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/love-in-action/id1456073489?i=1000433623822
Episode #122: https://www.marcelschwantes.com/ken-blanchard-2/
Episode recap
This episode is brought to you by Peak Performers, a nonprofit staffing agency that champions professionals with disabilities. Learn more at www.peakperformers.org.
If you’ve ever wondered what shaped Ken Blanchard into one of the most trusted leadership voices of our time, this episode offers a rare behind-the-scenes look. I sat down with Martha Lawrence—Ken’s longtime friend, collaborator, and biographer—and what unfolded was a rich mix of humor, history, and heart. In her new book, “Catch People Doing Things Right: How Ken Blanchard Changed the Way the World Leads,” Martha reveal the real Ken. She walks through her own journey as well—how a post-9/11 turning point led her to Blanchard’s organization and eventually to writing the definitive biography that captures his wisdom, quirks, and quiet resilience.
Bio
A former editor at Simon & Schuster and Harcourt, Martha C. Lawrence has shaped the voices of some of the world’s most successful thought leaders. As executive editor at Blanchard, she has collaborated with Ken Blanchard for more than 20 years. Her editing credits include multimillion-copy bestsellers and #1 New York Times titles. Lawrence is passionate about leadership, storytelling, and capturing legacies that matter. She is the author “Catch People Doing Things Right: How Ken Blanchard Changed the Way the World Leads.”
Quotes:
Takeaways:
Timestamps:
0:00:00 — Sponsor Message & Podcast Welcome
0:01:30 — Marcel introduces Ken Blanchard's influence and today’s theme
0:02:30 — Introducing guest Martha C. Lawrence and her background
0:05:00 — Martha shares her story and career path
0:07:30 — Martha discusses overcoming personal adversity
0:10:54 — How Martha began working with Ken Blanchard
0:12:54 — Inspiration to write Ken’s biography
0:16:09 — Ken’s connections and meeting Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
0:19:33 — How Ken’s parents shaped his leadership values
0:21:21 — The inverted pyramid and servant leadership explained
0:23:13 — Ken’s mentors, co-authors, and learning philosophy
0:25:07 — Ken’s personal and professional setbacks
0:27:38 — Ken’s humor and breaking the rules
0:31:26 — The evolution of Ken’s servant leadership philosophy
0:33:39 — "The One Minute Manager"—origins and impact
0:35:54 — Are the principles of "The One Minute Manager" still relevant?
0:37:51 — Research and surprises from Ken's archives
0:39:57 — Including love in leadership and chapter discussion
0:42:42 — What readers can gain from the book; catching people doing things right
0:45:08 — Distinguishing between care and love in leadership
0:47:39 — Speed Round: What makes Martha smile, her inspirations, and hopes
0:53:33 — The big takeaway: Leadership is love
0:54:25 — Where to find Martha and Ken’s resources online
0:55:01 — Closing gratitude and episode wrap-up
Conclusion:
The stories shared in this episode remind us that genuine leadership is shaped by humility, resilience, and compassion. Ken Blanchard’s journey proves that success is rooted as much in character as in achievement. Martha’s perspective brings to life the transformative effect of working alongside a true role model. Their experiences illustrate that lifting other and embracing authenticity can leave a legacy that outlasts any title. As you move forward, ask yourself: how can you lead with more heart in your own life and work?
Links/Resources:
www.marthalawrence.com
www.blanchard.com
www.kenblanchardbooks.com
Episode #3: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/love-in-action/id1456073489?i=1000433623822
Episode #122: https://www.marcelschwantes.com/ken-blanchard-2/
This episode is brought to you by Peak Performers, a nonprofit staffing agency that champions professionals with disabilities. Learn more at www.peakperformers.org
Episode recap:
Today’s guest is Bree Sarlati, President and CEO of Peak Performers, a nonprofit staffing agency that champions professionals with disabilities. Sarlati is leading Peak Performers’ mission to raise the standard of employment for people with disabilities. She breaks down the biases that still shape hiring and explains how Peak is proving that skilled talent is everywhere. We discuss how to build inclusive teams and how Peak is scaling nationally while staying deeply human-centered. Bree also shares their “Talent Without Limits” initiative and explains how her team is integrating AI into recruiting without losing empathy or accountability.
BIO:
Bree Sarlati is a pragmatic strategist known for turning complexity into clarity. As CEO of Peak Performers, Bree has led the organization's national expansion, modernizing operations, embracing new technology, and scaling its mission beyond Texas. Her focus on agility ensures that even as Peak grows, it never loses the human touch that defines its work. Bree has a talent for spotting potential that others miss and for connecting people with opportunities that move them forward. Passionate about disability employment and gender equity in leadership, she champions fair, future-ready systems and brings clarity, curiosity, and a people-first approach when the stakes are high.
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Timestamps:
00:00:00 Introduction and Overview of Peak Performers
00:02:30 Bree Sarlati’s Journey and Passion for Storytelling
00:08:40 Peak Performers’ Mission and Redefining Disability Employment
00:14:20 Challenges and Evolution in Disability-Inclusive Hiring
00:21:00 The Importance of Agility and Leadership Self-Awareness
00:26:30 Building Agile, Human-Centered Teams
00:32:00 Leveraging Technology Without Losing the Human Touch
00:36:30 The “Talent Without Limits” Initiative
00:41:00 The Role of Empathy, AI, and Creativity in Modern Recruiting
00:45:30 Leading with Love, Key Takeaways, and Final Thoughts
00:49:00 Connecting with Bree Sarlati and Closing Remarks
Conclusion:
As this inspiring conversation draws to a close, reflect on how inclusive hiring can transform both businesses and lives. We have learned that true agility in leadership comes from embracing change with empathy and purpose. Peak Performers shows us that technology and human connection can coexist to build workplaces of belonging. The journey to future-ready teams begins by recognizing untapped potential and challenging our own assumptions. Let us carry these lessons forward and strive to create workplaces where everyone has the opportunity to thrive.
Links/Resources:
Peak Performers Website: https://www.peakperformers.org/
Peak Performers on LinkedIn (Company Page): https://www.linkedin.com/company/peak-performers-staffing-agency/
Bree Sarlati on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bree-sarlati/
Don’t forget Marcel’s special offer to join his Substack community. Subscribe here:
https://marcelschwantes.substack.com/subscribe
Episode recap:
This episode explores a quiet but powerful turning point many high-achieving leaders face in midlife, when success no longer feels fulfilling. It names the real issue—not burnout, but misalignment between a leader’s outer accomplishments and inner values—and reframes it as a necessary recalibration rather than a crisis. Through reflection, values realignment, and intentional listening, leaders can reconnect with meaning, purpose, and a more authentic way of leading and living.
Bio:
Marcel Schwantes is a speaker, author, and acclaimed executive coach with a global following. Recognized by Inc. Magazine as one of the Top 50 Leadership and Management Experts in 2025, Marcel’s thought leadership reaches millions each month through global media like Inc., Time, Fast Company, Business Insider, and Forbes. Marcel delivers presentations, workshops, courses, and coaching programs about the human side of business and how cultures of care, connection, and belonging power companies to thrive and outperform the competition.
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Timestamps:
00:00:00 Introduction & The Hidden Question Behind Success
00:01:40 Success Achieved, Emptiness Remains
00:03:20 The Disconnect of “Going Through the Motions.”
00:05:00 Decades of Momentum & Inner Tiredness
00:06:40 Playing a Character & Seeking Deeper Meaning
00:08:20 Facing Burnout & The Concept of Misalignment
00:10:00 Rediscovering Values and Building Self-Awareness
00:11:40 Time to Pivot: Steps for Realignment
00:13:20 Grounding Yourself with Daily Questions
00:15:00 Journaling Exercise, Reflections & Outro
Conclusion:
True fulfillment starts when you stop chasing more and start tuning into what matters most within. The path to congruence is not about abandoning your achievements but about aligning them with your deepest values and desires. Remember, the discomfort you feel is really an invitation that serves as a wake-up call to a richer, more meaningful season of life. By embracing stillness, revisiting your core values, and asking powerful questions, you can chart a new course that feels genuinely right for you. Your next chapter is waiting, so are you ready to write it with purpose and passion?
Links/Resources:
Substack: https://marcelschwantes.substack.com/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcelschwantes/
Twitter/X: https://x.com/MarcelSchwantes
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/@MarcelSchwantes1
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/marcel.schwantes/
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Marcel Schwantes opens Season 10 with gratitude and a renewed call for better leadership. He previews more solo episodes in 2026 and emphasizes that a leadership strategy only works when a leader’s character and inner operating system are solid. He reframes authentic leadership as humility, self-honesty, and service. Authenticity starts with self-awareness, supported by a weekly reflection: where you lived your values, where you drifted, and what triggered it. He links authentic leadership to well-being by urging leaders to remove friction, create clarity, support mental health, and help people connect to purpose—since burnout often stems from a loss of meaning, not just workload.
Bio:
Marcel Schwantes is a speaker, author, and acclaimed executive coach with a global following. Recognized by Inc. Magazine as one of the Top 50 Leadership and Management Experts in 2025, Marcel’s thought leadership reaches millions each month through global media like Inc., Time, Fast Company, Business Insider, and Forbes. Marcel delivers presentations, workshops, courses, and coaching programs about the human side of business and how cultures of care, connection, and belonging power companies to thrive and outperform the competition.
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Timestamps:
00:00 Introduction & Podcast Purpose
03:26 2026 Podcast Direction & New Year Focus
06:00 Principles of Authentic Leadership
08:30 Practical Implementation Tips
14:45 Conclusion & Call to Action
Conclusion:
As we close out this episode, remember that real leadership begins with honesty, humility, and a genuine commitment to serving others. By embracing authenticity and staying true to your values, you create space for growth, trust, and lasting impact. Let this new year be your opportunity to lead with heart, listen deeply, and elevate the people around you. True change starts from within, and your leadership can set the tone for a better tomorrow.
Links/Resources:
Substack: https://marcelschwantes.substack.com/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcelschwantes/
Twitter/X: https://x.com/MarcelSchwantes
YouTube: hhttps://www.youtube.com/@MarcelSchwantes1
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/marcel.schwantes/
Episode recap
Vanessa Druskat, social and organizational psychologist and author of The Emotionally Intelligent Team, joined the Love In Action podcast to unpack what truly separates average teams from exceptional ones. Her decades of research reveal that it’s not brilliance at the top or superstar individual contributors that drive sustained performance. The real differentiator is a team’s emotional ecosystem—the shared norms, routines, and habits that create trust, belonging, and collaborative energy. By shaping the everyday habits discussed, leaders can create a culture where people feel safe, energized, and committed—conditions that ultimately drive exceptional performance.
Bio
Vanessa Druskat is an associate professor at the Peter T. Paul College of Business and Economics at the University of New Hampshire. As an internationally recognized leadership and team performance expert, Vanessa Druskat advises leaders and teams at over a dozen Fortune 500 and Fortune Global 500 companies. She is the recipient of multiple research and teaching awards. She is the author of The Emotionally Intelligent Team.
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Takeaways:
Timestamps:
0:00:02 Introduction & Episode Overview
0:02:40 Guest Welcome & Background
0:05:32 Motivations for Studying Teams
0:07:10 Defining Team Emotional Intelligence
0:10:40 Team Norms & Three Core Buckets
0:15:33 Helping One Another Succeed
0:16:37 Understanding Team Members
0:18:55 Demonstrating Caring
0:23:15 Addressing Unacceptable Behavior
0:29:43 Measuring Team Success
0:32:11 Groupthink & Decision Making
0:33:29 Speed Round: Personal Insights
0:36:26 Hopes for 2026
0:37:53 Leadership, Love, and Final Advice
0:40:53 Connecting with Vanessa Druskat
0:41:41 Closing Remarks
Conclusion:
As we wrap up this episode, remember that extraordinary teams aren’t built by perfect individuals—they’re powered by collective trust, curiosity, and care. Let today be your reminder to reach out, understand, and uplift those around you. When we lead with empathy and foster true connection, the results speak for themselves. Here’s to building teams where every voice matters, and collaboration leads the way.
Links/Resources:
LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/vanessa-druskat/
Website - https://www.vanessadruskat.com/
Team EI Survey – https://www.vanessadruskat.com/survey
Book - https://www.amazon.com/dp/1647824877?tag=bk00010a-20&th=1&psc=1&geniuslink=true
University of New Hampshire - https://paulcollege.unh.edu/person/vanessa-druskat
Episode recap
What happens when a West Point–trained Army Ranger turns his convictions about faith, entrepreneurship, and country into a fast-growing, American-made apparel brand? In this episode, Marcel sits down with Dean Wegner, founder and CEO of Authentically American, to explore how military discipline, servant leadership, and a mission-driven business model are reshaping what “Made in the USA” can mean today.
Note: You can purchase one of the sweat-activated T-shirts here: https://www.authenticallyamerican.us/collections/army-west-point-screenprint
If you use the code FOUNDER, you will get 25% off.
Bio:
Dean Wegner is the Founder and CEO of Authentically American, a Veteran-owned, American-made premium apparel brand. They are a company that celebrates patriotism, supports the American worker, and donates 10% of its profits to Veteran and First Responder charities. A West Point graduate, Dean served 7 years as a helicopter pilot and Army Ranger. Dean and Authentically American have been featured in Forbes, Inc. Magazine, FOX News, MSNBC, Nasdaq, Newsmax TV, and SiriusXM Radio.
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Takeaways:
Timestamps:
[01:55] Dean joins and aligns with servant leadership
[02:13] Dean shares his personal story and values
[03:27] What Authentically American is and why American-made matters
[04:38] The impact of creating American jobs
[05:45] Business model explanation and pricing strategy
[06:49] Military experiences shaping Dean as a leader
[08:53] The meaning of sing second and respect in leadership
[11:15] Leadership lessons from Ranger School and corporate life
[15:20] Servant leadership during challenging times
[16:27] Counterintuitive leadership lesson about thought leadership
[18:15] Advice for aspiring founders and servant leaders
[19:16] Future growth and building a sales team
[20:34] Dean demos the sweat-activated T-shirt
[23:29] Custom apparel for businesses and nonprofits
[24:08] How Authentically American serves charities at cost
[25:09] Speed round: family, fitness, and inspirations
[27:29] Dean’s biggest hope for 2026
[28:33] Leading with practical love in action
[29:19] Final takeaway about having a Ranger buddy
[30:09] How to connect with Dean and the brand
[31:06] Closing remarks and Army-Navy game reminder
Conclusion:
Dean Wegner leaves listeners with a clear message that leadership is ultimately an act of service. Through his military lessons, commitment to American manufacturing, and daily devotion to putting others first, he demonstrates that meaningful leadership is built on humility, teamwork, and purpose. His story calls us to lead with care, stay rooted in our values, and pursue missions that create real impact in the lives of others.
Links/Resources:
Website: https://www.authenticallyamerican.us/
Dean Wegner on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/deanwegner93/
Facebook: @AuthenticallyAmericanCo
Instagram: @authentically_american
Episode Recap
This week on the podcast, I sat down with Dr. Jaime Goff — executive coach, therapist, and author of The Secure Leader. Our conversation goes deep into something many leaders feel but rarely explore: how our early attachment patterns quietly follow us into the workplace.
Dr. Jaime breaks attachment theory down into something extremely practical for leaders. At the core are two questions we all carry:
Our answers tend to show up at work in three ways. One of those ways is that of a “secure leader”: Grounded, steady, and empowering — the hallmark of modern servant leadership.
Leaders who do the inner work of a Secure Leader create workplaces where people can flourish.
Guest Bio
Dr. Jaime Goff is the founder of The Empathic Leader, LLC, where she specializes in helping leaders unlock their full potential through executive coaching, insightful workshops, and thought-provoking keynotes. Jaime holds a PhD in Couple and Family Therapy from Michigan State University and a graduate certificate in executive coaching from Southern Methodist University
Quotes:
Takeaways:
Timestamps:
00:02 Intro and podcast milestones
05:12 Meet Dr. Jaime Goff and her personal story
07:21 The “latchkey kid” upbringing and over-independence
10:55 Why she wrote The Secure Leader
13:26 Attachment theory explained
15:21 How unworthiness shapes controlling or approval-seeking leadership
18:50 Jaime’s aha moment as a young leader
21:34 Gaining awareness and deconstructing your story
24:07 Avoidant, anxious, and secure leadership styles
28:44 Trauma, triggers, and past patterns repeating at work
32:18 The cost of skipping inner work
37:49 First steps to becoming a secure leader
40:06 Where to take the Secure Leader style scan
41:37 Speed round
45:52 Jaime’s hope for more secure leadership
48:31 Leading with love and building self-worth
50:56 Final takeaway on moving slow to move fast
52:57 How to connect with Dr. Jaime Goff
Conclusion:
As we close this inspiring conversation, remember that real leadership begins within. When you commit to self-discovery, you build the foundation to lead others with empathy, purpose, and resilience. Growth is a lifelong journey where each step forward helps you make a positive impact on those around you. Lead with clarity, nurture meaningful connections, and watch your influence create ripples of transformation in your team and beyond.
Links/Resources:
Website (take the assessment)- https://drjaimegoff.com/
LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/drjaimegoff/
Amazon - https://www.amazon.com/Secure-Leader-Discover-Leadership-Story/dp/B0FBZ39H8Y/
Email Dr. Goff: [email protected]
Episode Recap
This week on the podcast, I sat down with Dr. Jaime Goff — executive coach, therapist, and author of The Secure Leader. Our conversation goes deep into something many leaders feel but rarely explore: how our early attachment patterns quietly follow us into the workplace.
Jaime breaks attachment theory down into something extremely practical for leaders. At the core are two questions we all carry:
Our answers tend to show up at work in three ways. One of those ways is that of a “secure leader”: Grounded, steady, and empowering — the hallmark of modern servant leadership.
Leaders who do the inner work of a Secure Leader create workplaces where people can flourish.
Guest Bio
Dr. Jaime Goff is the founder of The Empathic Leader, LLC, where she specializes in helping leaders unlock their full potential through executive coaching, insightful workshops, and thought-provoking keynotes. Jaime holds a PhD in Couple and Family Therapy from Michigan State University and a graduate certificate in executive coaching from Southern Methodist University
Quotes:
Takeaways:
Timestamps:
00:02 Intro and podcast milestones
05:12 Meet Dr. Jaime Goff and her personal story
07:21 The “latchkey kid” upbringing and over-independence
10:55 Why she wrote The Secure Leader
13:26 Attachment theory explained
15:21 How unworthiness shapes controlling or approval-seeking leadership
18:50 Jaime’s aha moment as a young leader
21:34 Gaining awareness and deconstructing your story
24:07 Avoidant, anxious, and secure leadership styles
28:44 Trauma, triggers, and past patterns repeating at work
32:18 The cost of skipping inner work
37:49 First steps to becoming a secure leader
40:06 Where to take the Secure Leader style scan
41:37 Speed round
45:52 Jaime’s hope for more secure leadership
48:31 Leading with love and building self-worth
50:56 Final takeaway on moving slow to move fast
52:57 How to connect with Dr. Jaime Goff
Conclusion:
As we close this inspiring conversation, remember that real leadership begins within. When you commit to self-discovery, you build the foundation to lead others with empathy, purpose, and resilience. Growth is a lifelong journey where each step forward helps you make a positive impact on those around you. Lead with clarity, nurture meaningful connections, and watch your influence create ripples of transformation in your team and beyond.
Links/Resources:
Website (take the assessment)- https://drjaimegoff.com/
LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/drjaimegoff/
Amazon - https://www.amazon.com/Secure-Leader-Discover-Leadership-Story/dp/B0FBZ39H8Y/
Email Dr. Goff: [email protected]
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The Marcel Podcast (formerly 'Love In Action') is where leadership meets human flourishing.
Hosted by leadership coach, global speaker, and author Marcel Schwantes, each episode features bestselling authors, leading researchers, innovative executives, and inspiring changemakers who share practical, evidence-based insights for leading well and living well in the age of AI.
Whether you're leading a team, an organization, or simply striving to become your best self, you'll discover ideas, tools, and conversations to help you flourish at work, at home, and in life.
Because when people flourish, organizations thrive—and the world becomes a better place.

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