In this episode of the NCETM Maths Podcast, Jane Hawkins, the NCETM’s Assistant Director for Secondary, speaks to Geoff Barton, chair of the Oracy Education Commission. The conversation dives into the importance of oracy in the classroom, especially in mathematics, exploring how it can transform learning and teaching. They discuss the current state of oracy education, its potential to close the disadvantage attainment gap, and specific recommendations for embedding oracy into professional development for teachers. Geoff references valuable insights and case studies, including contributions from experts such as Tim Oates and David Thomas, as well as practical examples from schools successfully implementing oracy strategies.
A transcript (PDF) of this episode is available to download.
Show notes
Taking part in the discussion:
Geoff Barton, Chair of the Oracy Education CommissionJane Hawkins, Assistant Director for Secondary Mathematics, NCETMJulia Thomson, Senior Communications and Marketing Manager, NCETM.Episode chapters
00:00 Introduction to the NCETM Maths Podcast01:22 Meet Jane Hawkins and Geoff Barton01:50 The importance of oracy in education03:19 Disciplinary oracy in mathematics04:17 Revelations about oracy from maths06:49 Challenges and solutions in teaching maths12:13 The role of teachers in oracy-rich classrooms15:04 The impact of oracy on student behaviour and engagement19:53 Assessment and the future of oracy27:48 Oracy and disadvantaged pupils36:46 Teacher professional development in oracy49:46 Conclusion and further resources.Useful links
Oracy Education Commission report – We need to talk (October 2024)The Commission Conversations – Tim OatesThe Commission Conversations – David ThomasDiscover more from the Commission Conversations podcast archiveNCETM feature: We need to talk (about maths) (February 2025)Maths Hubs Research and Innovation Work GroupsBullock Report: A Language for Life (HMSO, 1975)EEF Secondary Maths Practice Review (June 2024)The NCETM Maths Podcast – Oracy in the maths classroomNCETM: The role of oracy in the context of teaching for masteryAll-Party Parliamentary Group Report, Speak for ChangeVoice 21 Oracy FrameworkTES article: Neil Mercer: Oracy is still not properly understood (May 2025)Explore previous episodes of the NCETM podcast in our archive.