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This episode gave me goosebumps — and you’ll understand why soon.

Today, I’m speaking with the identical twin sisters Cipriana Quann and TK Wonder, hosts of the Chew on Something podcast and founders of Urban Bush Babes, a lifestyle platform celebrating the multi-faceted lives of women of color.

Cipriana is a former Vogue writer; TK Wonder is a rapper and singer who’s opened for artists like Nas and Afrika Bambaataa. Together, they’ve starred in campaigns for Fendi, Valentino, Tiffany & Co., Sephora, and more.

I first saw them years ago in New York City during my Condé Nast days — two striking women shaping culture and fashion. I never imagined that years later, they’d be sitting on The New Health Club podcast couch in Denver with Joe Moore from Psychedelics Today and me, sharing one of the most powerful healing stories I’ve ever heard.

Cipriana and TK open up about surviving sexual, physical, and childhood abuse — and how, for years, they used sugar and comfort food to numb the pain. Their discovery of Ibogaine, a plant medicine known for its deep psychological healing, completely transformed their relationship with their bodies and their health.

This is a story about sisterhood, resilience, and the power of psychedelics to help us finally face what we’ve been running from — and heal for good.

In this episode:

How trauma shapes our relationship with food

The healing potential of Ibogaine

From fashion icons to wellness voices

What real transformation looks like after trauma

✨ How we used food to numb our trauma — and how Ibogaine helped us heal from it.

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Hi, today’s guest is Veronika Gold, a therapist and counselor based in San Francisco with extensive experience in psychology. Originally from the Czech Republic, she grew up under communist rule and traveled worldwide before settling in the Bay Area in 2003. She’s passionate about contemplative practices like meditation, mindfulness, and exploring consciousness. Veronica holds an M.A. in Clinical Psychology from Charles University and an M.A. in Integral Counseling Psychology from CIIS. She is involved in MDMA-Assisted Psychotherapy at SF Insight and Co-developed Ketamine Assisted Therapy at New Pathways and Polaris Insight Center. She’s known for her outstanding work and shares her inspiring journey from life under communism to becoming a therapist specializing in transformative trauma work.

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Hadas Alterman is an attorney who co-founded Plant Medicine Law Group, the first psychedelic industry focused law firm. She helped shape the legal psychedelic frameworks in Colorado and Oregon and the professional standards for psychedelic-assisted therapy. She is also working as a the director of legislative strategy for Stand With Us. Our topic today is how we can tolerate and accept very different world views in a conversations. In these times, this seems to be the number one talent we need to come up with human being. So how can psychedelic journeys contribute to this and have us tolerate messy conversations and understand the other camp? 

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Dr. Leor Roseman, Senior Lecturer and Psychedelic Researcher at the University of Exeter, has explore this avenue. His study “Relational Processes in Ayahuasca Groups of Palestinians and Israelis” a few years ago, was fascinating.I read about it in 2021, (https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8170481/) and we recorded the first podcast. To me the idea made a lot of sense. Now, with the urgency amid the current situation after October 7th, his work seems more important than ever. In his scientific work Leor examines how psychedelics can serve as peacemaking tools by altering consciousness through a biopsychosocial lens, incorporating neuroscience, psychology, anthropology, and phenom enology. With a background at the Centre for Psychedelic Research at Imperial College London, under Prof. Robin Carhart-Harris and Prof. David Nutt, Leor was curious how psychedelics now can deliver a new peacemaking tool. His foundation Ripples, a non-profit dedicated to peace building supported by psychedelics, is now researching new ideas around understanding, without ignoring the actual conflict. The urgency right now is on the Israel and Palestine Conflict. But his work can be valid for other conflicted parties too.  

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Today’s episode is particularly special. I recorded this session in our hotel room studio during the Psychedelic Science Conference in Denver. The duo you’ll hear shortly is truly exceptional in their efforts to destigmatize psychedelics, a movement gaining significant momentum right now.

My guests are Professor Rachel Yehuda and Governor Rick Perry. Professor Rachel Yehuda is the Director of the Parsons Research Center for Psychedelic Healing at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai in New York City. She plays a pivotal role in pioneering psychedelic research related to veterans and PTSD.

Governor Rick Perry is a prominent American politician and the former governor of Texas. He also served as the 14th U.S. Secretary of Energy from 2017 to 2019. Perry has argued that ibogaine could be an incredible treatment for addiction and PTSD in veterans and has dedicated himself to advancing the public understanding and acceptance of psychedelics. In this episode, we discuss the evolving landscape of psychedelics in the United States, exploring why a bipartisan approach could be a powerful solution for rescheduling psychedelics and expanding access to healing therapies nationwide.

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