Kids should be noisy, happy, playful and laughing often!! Not a truer word said. Today I am joined by Ash Perrin, the amazing founder of the seagull project; a group of entertainers and musicians who have travelled to 23 countries touching the lives of 115K children in orphanages, refugee camps and hospitals over the last decade. Today we chat about overcoming challenges, the tools you need to do so, how we can be less addicted to our screens, but mostly how playtime will change our lives and our kids!! You can't miss this. For show notes: madeleineshaw.com/episode19