Thru hiker and filmmaker Paul "Pie" Ingram joins Doc from Helsinki, Finland, to talk about his journey from growing up on the outskirts of London to hiking the American long trails to making films focusing on the threats facing our wild spaces. During the discussion, Pie and Doc range far and wide, including their thoughts on multitasking, life-changing hostel meetings, shaping your journey, the power of slow and steady, Cheese Beard, critics, and the relentless intensity of 400 miles in the Sierras.