"The Riff" with Byrne Hobart and Erik Torenberg

In this episode of The Riff, Byrne Hobart discusses his upcoming book about financial bubbles, venture scale businesses, creator financing, and prediction markets. For full shownotes, visit: https://highlightai.com/share/d084ef81-e3cd-41b2-be04-b6fc2bbe3f7a

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Byrne’s writing: https://thediff.co

Byrne's book: https://www.stripe.press/boom

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In this special episode of The Riff, Byrne Hobart is joined by Patrick McKenzie, host of the podcast Complex Systems to discuss a range of topics including app business models, restaurant industry economics, AI's impact on productivity, the evolution of search technologies and more.

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LINKS:

Byrne’s writing: https://thediff.co

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Intro

(01:08) Economics of free-to-play games

(09:45) High spenders and VIP systems

(12:13) Misconceptions about industry economics

(13:22) Spending patterns

(15:46) Airline industry

(20:51) Custom software and high-end services

(24:17) Sponsor: Carta

(25:06) Evolution of restaurant websites

(33:57) Role of platforms in restaurant business

(41:33) Strategic moves in food distribution

(43:53) Restaurant groups and concepts

(47:39) Economics of business meals

(53:33) Value of free company food

(01:03:37) Role of LLMs in research and writing

(01:12:04) Future of LLMs and human interaction

(01:23:44) Wrap

This week, Byrne Hobart and Erik Torenberg discuss the shifting dynamics of careers and education, the notion of "auto-paternalism" in organizational choices, Spotify's growth strategy in a mature market, the future of podcasts and audio content, and the intricate relationship between AI art, property rights and more.

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LINKS:

Byrne’s writing: https://thediff.co

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Intro

(00:27) Career advantages

(05:00) Young entrepreneurs today

(09:38) Money and legitimacy

(17:57) Sponsor: Brave

(18:59) Education and critical thinking

(27:34) Disrupting higher education

(39:25) Auto paternalism in organizations

(48:13) Spotify's market strategy

(53:39) AI art and property rights

(57:07) Wrap

This week, Byrne Hobart and Erik Torenberg dive into a range of fascinating topics such as the evolution and future of OpenAI's business model, economic rationale behind corporate buybacks, changing software economics, China's recent equity market surge and more.

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🎙️ This Won't Last - Eavesdrop on Keith Rabois, Kevin Ryan, Logan Bartlett, and Zach Weinberg's monthly backchannel. They unpack their hottest takes on the future of tech, business, venture, investing, and politics.

Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/id1765665937

Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2HwSNeVLL1MXy0RjFPyOSz

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ThisWontLastpodcast

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Byrne’s writing: https://thediff.co

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Intro

(00:20) Role of competition in tech

(03:57) ByteDance and the music streaming market

(08:15) OpenAI's business model evolution

(19:05) Sponsor: Brave

(20:07) Future of OpenAI and AI regulation

(27:56) Understanding interest rates and treasury bonds

(30:58) Corporate buybacks

(37:05) Software economics and growth strategies

(45:38) China's economic strategies and market impact

(50:49) Predicting market movements with headlines

(54:15) Wrap

This week, Byrne Hobart and Erik Torenberg discuss cult stocks like Tesla and Palantir, debate whether AI or globalization will impact jobs more, explore the energy transition's unexpected reversal, analyze Forbes' content strategy and more.

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🎙️ This Won't Last - Eavesdrop on Keith Rabois, Kevin Ryan, Logan Bartlett, and Zach Weinberg's monthly backchannel. They unpack their hottest takes on the future of tech, business, venture, investing, and politics.

Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/id1765665937

Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2HwSNeVLL1MXy0RjFPyOSz

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Byrne’s writing: https://thediff.co

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Intro

(00:20) Understanding cult stocks

(05:48) ESG investing

(09:21) Viability of stock-based social networks

(16:53) Vertical social network

(19:43) Sponsors: Babbel | Brave

(22:08) Role of tick sizes in financial markets

(29:03) Tech stocks and market timing

(36:24) Job losses: AI vs. Globalization

(41:11) Energy transition in reverse

(45:49) Forbes' business model and media strategy

(52:00) Power of lists in media

(01:00:01) Wrap

This week, Byrne Hobart and Erik Torenberg tackle the current state of the EU's tech sector, evolution of private equity firms, consumer credit defaults, online reputation management and more.

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LINKS:

Byrne’s writing: https://thediff.co

Will The EU Choose to Compete?: https://www.thediff.co/archive/will-the-eu-choose-to-compete/

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Intro

(00:27) Current state of the EU tech industry

(07:21) Degrowth and economic progress

(12:12) Competent bureaucracy and government services

(18:24) Javier Milei, Vivek, and Trump

(25:06) Sponsor: Babbel | Brave

(27:32) Consumer confidence and economic perceptions

(30:48) Deflation and credit creation

(42:45) The Evolution of Private Equity

(50:21) Online Reputation Management

(54:50) Wrap

This week, Byrne and Erik discuss the efficiency of market hypothesis, explores the complexities of breaking up big tech companies, unpacks the intriguing dynamics of currencies from nations to video game gems and more.

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🎙️ This Won't Last - Eavesdrop on Keith Rabois, Kevin Ryan, Logan Bartlett, and Zach Weinberg's monthly backchannel. They unpack their hottest takes on the future of tech, business, venture, investing, and politics.

Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/id1765665937

Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2HwSNeVLL1MXy0RjFPyOSz

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ThisWontLastpodcast

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LINKS:

Byrne’s writing: https://thediff.co

Big Tech as a Fleet Rather than an Aircraft Carrier: https://www.thediff.co/archive/big-tech-as-a-fleet-rather-than-an-aircraft-carrier/

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Intro

(00:20) Market efficiency

(02:33) Big tech's strategic investments

(12:11) Efficient market hypothesis

(16:52) Big tech as a fleet

(27:16) Sponsors: Babbel | Brave

(29:42) Role and impact of currencies

(39:03) Concept of personal tokens

(43:17) Diversification vs. Concentration in investments

(50:09) Pod model in hedge funds

(54:25) Wrap

This week, Byrne and Erik discuss the idea of taxing unrealized capital gains, networked nature of the finance industry, the strategic direction of Uber in autonomous vehicles, the merits of 'founder mode' and more.

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🎙️ This Won't Last - Eavesdrop on Keith Rabois, Kevin Ryan, Logan Bartlett, and Zach Weinberg's monthly backchannel. They unpack their hottest takes on the future of tech, business, venture, investing, and politics.

Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/id1765665937

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Intro

(00:21) Taxing unrealized gains

(08:57) Economic theories on taxation and consumption

(12:40) Role of taxation in government spending

(15:23) Impact of taxation on the startup ecosystem

(22:58) Sponsors: Babbel | Brave

(25:23) Real estate and mortgage market insights

(31:00) Introduction to pod shops

(37:38) Uber's autonomous vehicle strategy

(45:57) Valuing companies: Cash flow vs. Dividends

(51:04) Nominal GDP targeting and economic policy

(55:34) Implications of founder mode

(59:26) Wrap

On this week’s episode of The Riff, Byrne Hobart and Erik Torenberg discuss the Silicon Valley Canon, impact of tech on traditional markets, the evolution of smart contracts, risks of currency carry trades and more.

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🎙️ This Won't Last - Eavesdrop on Keith Rabois, Kevin Ryan, Logan Bartlett, and Zach Weinberg's monthly backchannel. They unpack their hottest takes on the future of tech, business, venture, investing, and politics.

Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/id1765665937

Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2HwSNeVLL1MXy0RjFPyOSz

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ThisWontLastpodcast

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LINKS:

Byrne’s writing: https://thediff.co

Longreads + Open Thread: https://www.thediff.co/archive/longreads-open-thread-90/

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Intro

(00:26) Silicon Valley Canon

(05:45) Silicon Valley's intellectual evolution

(08:52) Who is leading Silicon Valley’s intellectual influence?

(14:41) Variance of Mission-Driven Companies

(19:50) Shareholder activism and private equity strategies

(28:30) Sponsors: Babbel | Brave

(30:57) Understanding extreme stock returns

(35:38) Retailers and the ad business

(39:14) Walmart's membership strategy

(42:38) Environmental impact of data centers

(47:01) Oracle problem in smart contracts

(52:39) Currency carry trade

(57:28) Ryan Breslow's controversial deal

(01:00:15) Wrap

On this week’s episode of The Riff, Byrne Hobart and Erik Torenberg discuss tricky antitrust decisions, Balaji’s Network State, the dynamics of content moderation, and more.

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🎙️ This Won't Last - Eavesdrop on Keith Rabois, Kevin Ryan, Logan Bartlett, and Zach Weinberg's monthly backchannel. They unpack their hottest takes on the future of tech, business, venture, investing, and politics.

Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/id1765665937

Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2HwSNeVLL1MXy0RjFPyOSz

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ThisWontLastpodcast

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Intro

(00:23) Paradox of antitrust in tech

(03:00) Consumer welfare vs. market dominance

(09:48) Lina Khan

(13:29) Sponsors: Babbel | Brave

(15:53) Corporate social responsibility and privatization

(20:28) AI trust and the impact of fake content

(26:48) Technical inputs into AI 

(31:40) Absurdity heuristic 

(32:24) Exploring intangible capital

(39:05) Network States and organizational challenges

(48:13) Politics and social media dynamics

(55:34) Conservative and progressive elites

(01:00:26) Wrap