"The Riff" with Byrne Hobart and Erik Torenberg

On this week's episode of The Riff, Erik and Byrne discuss Elon Musk's and Yann Lecun's Tweets, what we can learn from Google's API decumentation leaks, how Apple is planning on improving Siri, and more. beehiiv: Head to https://beehiiv.com and use code "MOZ" for 20% off your first three months.

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Intro

(00:21) Elon Musk's and Yann Lecun's Twitter exchange

(02:26) Institutional decay

(07:54) Activist campaign against Texas Instruments

(16:36) Sponsors: Babbel | beehiiv

(19:10) Poorly executed fraud from Getty investor

(27:41) What we can learn from the Google API documentation leak

(35:07) Apple's planned improvements for Siri

(40:12) Wrap

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LINKS:

Byrne’s writing: https://thediff.co

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On this week's episode of The Riff, Erik and Byrne talk about xAI's fundraising round, Vivek Ramaswamy's investment in BuzzFeed, and the dynamics of using ads to monetize AI. beehiiv: Head to https://beehiiv.com and use code "MOZ" for 20% off your first three months.

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This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at [email protected].

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RECOMMENDED PODCAST: Autopilot explores the adoption and rollout of AI in the industries that drive the economy and the dynamic founders bringing rapid change to slow-moving industries. From law, to hardware, to aviation, Will Summerlin interviews founders backed by Benchmark, Greylock, and more to learn how they're automating at the frontiers in entrenched industries.

Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6YQZkKHN7EP2yWedAvSxBC?si=18377c69a2804333

Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/autopilot-with-will-summerlin/id1738163836

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Timestamps:

(00:00) Intro

(00:21) xAI fundraising

(12:11) Vivek Ramaswamy's majority stake in BuzzFeed & dynamics of media acquisitions

(16:15) Sponsor: beehiiv

(30:03) Changes in private equity

(35:44) Does AI hurt wordcels or shape rotators?

(39:21) Looking at new FTX documents

(44:58) Will AI be monetized mostly through ads?

(53:04) Against trusting dystopian science fiction stories

(57:11) Wrap

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LINKS:

Byrne’s writing: https://thediff.co

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On this week's episode of The Riff, Erik and Byrne talk about meme stocks, the nature of reserve currencies, and why you should consider not owning a home in America. beehiiv: Head to https://beehiiv.com and use code "MOZ" for 20% off your first three months.

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This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at [email protected].

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Head to beehiiv, the newsletter platform built for growth, to power your own. Connect with premium brands, scale your audience, and deliver a beautiful UX that stands out in an inbox. 🐝 Head to https://beehiiv.com and use code "MOZ" for 20% off your first three months

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RECOMMENDED PODCAST: Autopilot explores the adoption and rollout of AI in the industries that drive the economy and the dynamic founders bringing rapid change to slow-moving industries. From law, to hardware, to aviation, Will Summerlin interviews founders backed by Benchmark, Greylock, and more to learn how they're automating at the frontiers in entrenched industries.

Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6YQZkKHN7EP2yWedAvSxBC?si=18377c69a2804333

Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/autopilot-with-will-summerlin/id1738163836

Timestamps:

(00:00) Intro

(00:27) The case against home ownership

(06:07) The U.S. Dollar as a reserve currency

(17:49) Sponsor: beehiiv

(18:59) Colluding in the oil industry

(24:57) Meme stocks

(27:40) Why it's hard to copy Renaissance Technologies

(36:40) The shutdown of Weiss Multi-Strategy

(40:16) Alternative financial histories

(45:46) How NewBank attracts talent

(49:46) App store dynamics

(52:17) Optimal financial education

(56:59) Investing in people

(01:01:28) Wrap

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LINKS:

Byrne’s writing: https://thediff.co

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On this week's episode of The Riff, Erik and Byrne talk about Amazon’s potential to buy a passenger airline, hidden economic gains, equities, and more. beehiiv: Head to https://Beehiiv.com and use code "MOZ" for 20% off your first three months.

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This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at [email protected].

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SPONSORS: beehiiv

beehiiv: Head to beehiiv, the newsletter platform built for growth, to power your own. Connect with premium brands, scale your audience, and deliver a beautiful UX that stands out in an inbox. 🐝 Head to https://beehiiv.com and use code "MOZ" for 20% off your first three months

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RECOMMENDED PODCAST: Autopilot explores the adoption and rollout of AI in the industries that drive the economy and the dynamic founders bringing rapid change to slow-moving industries. From law, to hardware, to aviation, Will Summerlin interviews founders backed by Benchmark, Greylock, and more to learn how they're automating at the frontiers in entrenched industries.

Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6YQZkKHN7EP2yWedAvSxBC?si=18377c69a2804333

Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/autopilot-with-will-summerlin/id1738163836

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Intro

(00:20) Amazon's Unique Business Model and Expansion Strategy

(03:11) The Intricacies of the Airline Business Model

(05:58) Amazon's Long-Term Strategy and Customer Focus

(10:01) Potential for Amazon to Disrupt the Airline Industry

(17:27) Sponsor: Beehiiv

(18:33) Blackstone's Real Estate Ventures and Market Dynamics

(28:26) Understanding Financial Planning and Investment Strategies

(29:01) Exploring the Nuances of Preferred vs. Common Stock

(31:03) The Impact of Unions on Company Profits and Shareholder Value

(35:38) The Role and Evolution of Unions in Balancing Labor and Capital

(41:50) Analyzing the New York Times' Adaptation to Digital Media Trends

(51:21) The Invisible Efficiencies of Technological Advancements

(57:12) Wrap

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LINKS:

Byrne’s writing: https://thediff.co

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On this week's episode of The Riff, Erik and Byrne talk about how to apply Costco's business model in other industries, the risky business of Martingale strategies, usage as a potential barrier to AI model development, and more. Get Harmonic: Head to https://bit.ly/harmonicturpentine and make sure to mention Turpentine during your demo.

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This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at [email protected].

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RECOMMENDED PODCAST: Autopilot explores the adoption and rollout of AI in the industries that drive the economy and the dynamic founders bringing rapid change to slow-moving industries. From law, to hardware, to aviation, Will Summerlin interviews founders backed by Benchmark, Greylock, and more to learn how they're automating at the frontiers in entrenched industries.

Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6YQZkKHN7EP2yWedAvSxBC?si=18377c69a2804333

Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/autopilot-with-will-summerlin/id1738163836

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LINKS:

Byrne’s writing: https://thediff.co

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Intro

(00:21) Unpacking the Hunter Book Model: A New Approach to Monetizing News

(07:30) Aligning Media and Investing: Conflicts and Confluences of Interest

(12:41) Sponsor: Harmonic | Beehiiv

(15:09) The Benefits of Public Markets and Short Selling Insights

(18:09) Martingale Beliefs and Betting Strategies in Finance

(23:31) The Martingale Thesis and Market Making

(27:17) Unlocking the Potential of AI with Usage-Based Lock-In

(31:45) Exploring the Costco Business Model and Its Applications

(37:46) The Case for GDP-Linked Bonds: A Financial Innovation

(40:06) Vertical Software Companies Acquiring Operating Companies

(44:37) The Intersection of Media and Tech Companies

(46:40) Wrap

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https://twitter.com/ByrneHobart (Byrne)

https://twitter.com/TurpentineMedia (Turpentine)

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On this week's episode of The Riff, Erik and Byrne discuss AI & education, Stripe's shift towards unbundling, and the possibility of 24 hour markets. Get Harmonic: Head to https://bit.ly/harmonicturpentine and make sure to mention Turpentine during your demo.

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This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at [email protected].

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SPONSORS: Harmonic | beehiiv

Harmonic: Learn why Craft, Bedrock, NEA and 100s more trust Harmonic’s data to source deals. Harmonic is the most complete startup database, finding new companies as soon as they incorporate and tracking them through IPO. Head to https://bit.ly/harmonicturpentine and make sure to mention Turpentine during your demo.

beehiiv: Head to beehiiv, the newsletter platform built for growth, to power your own. Connect with premium brands, scale your audience, and deliver a beautiful UX that stands out in an inbox. 🐝 Head to https://beehiiv.com and use code "MOZ" for 20% off your first three months

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RECOMMENDED PODCAST: Autopilot explores the adoption and rollout of AI in the industries that drive the economy and the dynamic founders bringing rapid change to slow-moving industries. From law, to hardware, to aviation, Will Summerlin interviews founders backed by Benchmark, Greylock, and more to learn how they're automating at the frontiers in entrenched industries.

Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6YQZkKHN7EP2yWedAvSxBC?si=18377c69a2804333

Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/autopilot-with-will-summerlin/id1738163836

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LINKS: Byrne’s writing: https://thediff.co

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https://twitter.com/ByrneHobart (Byrne)

https://twitter.com/TurpentineMedia (Turpentine)

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On this week's episode of The Riff, Erik and Byrne discuss income sharing agreements, the privacy/security/usability efficient frontier, and how Meta ended up with all their GPUs. Get Harmonic: Head to https://bit.ly/harmonicturpentine and make sure to mention Turpentine during your demo.

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This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at [email protected].

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SPONSORS: Harmonic | BeeHiiv

Harmonic: Learn why Craft, Bedrock, NEA and 100s more trust Harmonic’s data to source deals. Harmonic is the most complete startup database, finding new companies as soon as they incorporate and tracking them through IPO. Head to https://bit.ly/harmonicturpentine and make sure to mention Turpentine during your demo.

BeeHiiv: Head to Beehiiv, the newsletter platform built for growth, to power your own. Connect with premium brands, scale your audience, and deliver a beautiful UX that stands out in an inbox. 🐝 Head to https://Beehiiv.com and use code "MOZ" for 20% off your first three months

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RECOMMENDED PODCAST: Autopilot explores the adoption and rollout of AI in the industries that drive the economy and the dynamic founders bringing rapid change to slow-moving industries. From law, to hardware, to aviation, Will Summerlin interviews founders backed by Benchmark, Greylock, and more to learn how they're automating at the frontiers in entrenched industries.

Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6YQZkKHN7EP2yWedAvSxBC?si=18377c69a2804333

Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/autopilot-with-will-summerlin/id1738163836

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Intro

(00:26) Exploring Income Share Agreements and Lambda School

(08:01) The Controversy and Potential of Lambda School

(18:46) Sponsor: Harmonic | Beehiiv

(21:17) The Bear Case on Income Share Agreements

(24:31) Barriers and Threats of Selling New Financial Products

(29:51) Innovative Financial Models and Crypto's Role

(30:50) Exploring Personal Prediction Markets and Startups

(32:51) The Impact of AI on Content Creation and Social Interactions

(35:54) Navigating the Continuum of Human and AI Interaction

(38:59) Meta's Strategic Shift Towards Generative AI

(48:02) The Evolution of Privacy, Security, and Usability in Tech

(52:21) Debunking Myths Around Index Funds

(1:01:58) Adapting Investment Strategies in an Efficient Market

(1:03:40) Wrap

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LINKS:

Byrne’s writing:

https://thediff.co

Erik’s post on income sharing agreements: https://eriktorenberg.substack.com/p/life-capital

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https://twitter.com/ByrneHobart (Byrne)

https://twitter.com/TurpentineMedia (Turpentine)

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For guest or sponsorship inquiries please contact [email protected]

On this week's episode of The Riff, Erik and Byrne discuss the acquisition landscape, how to write great business memos, and why it's hard to monetize a successful ChatGPT wrapper. Get Harmonic: Head to https://bit.ly/harmonicturpentine and make sure to mention Turpentine during your demo.

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This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at [email protected].

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SPONSOR: Harmonic Learn why Craft, Bedrock, NEA and 100s more trust Harmonic’s data to source deals. Harmonic is the most complete startup database, finding new companies as soon as they incorporate and tracking them through IPO. Head to https://bit.ly/harmonicturpentine and make sure to mention Turpentine during your demo.

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RECOMMENDED PODCAST: Autopilot explores the adoption and rollout of AI in the industries that drive the economy and the dynamic founders bringing rapid change to slow-moving industries. From law, to hardware, to aviation, Will Summerlin interviews founders backed by Benchmark, Greylock, and more to learn how they're automating at the frontiers in entrenched industries.

Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6YQZkKHN7EP2yWedAvSxBC?si=18377c69a2804333

Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/autopilot-with-will-summerlin/id1738163836

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Timestamps:

(00:00) Intro

(00:20) Negative reputation of acquisitive companies

(11:50) Sponsors: Harmonic | Turpentine

(13:39) Importance of research and its competitive edge

(21:37) Exploring the dynamics of unions and corporate strategies

(26:11) How to write a great memo

(32:49) Challenge of monetizing AI services

(37:49) AI's impact on education and standardized testing

(43:44) Evolution and future of Ghost Kitchens

(52:19) Lessons from '50 Years in Wall Street'

(56:53) Insights from Managing a Sovereign Wealth Fund

(1:00:00) Wrap

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Byrne’s writing: https://thediff.co

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https://twitter.com/eriktorenberg (Erik)

https://twitter.com/ByrneHobart (Byrne)

https://twitter.com/TurpentineMedia (Turpentine)

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On this week's episode of The Riff, Erik and Byrne discuss pivots in hard tech, cybersecurity and privacy, and the considerations in how often to enforce the law.

For listeners watching the video, please note that Erik’s video recording dropped out towards the end of the episode. We hope you enjoy the conversation nonetheless.

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This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at [email protected].

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RECOMMENDED PODCAST: Autopilot explores the adoption and rollout of AI in the industries that drive the economy and the dynamic founders bringing rapid change to slow-moving industries. From law, to hardware, to aviation, Will Summerlin interviews founders backed by Benchmark, Greylock, and more to learn how they're automating at the frontiers in entrenched industries.

Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6YQZkKHN7EP2yWedAvSxBC?si=18377c69a2804333

Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/autopilot-with-will-summerlin/id1738163836

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Timestamps:

(00:00) Intro

(00:29) Hard tech pivots

(04:55) Software changes the shape of innovation

(08:19) Open source and closed source security models

(16:14) AI regulation predictions

(18:34) Google's AI monetization

(24:24) Why did tech hedge funds invest in a potato company?

(28:07) Good customer service is a negative signal for a country’s economic status

(34:48) The data business at three resolutions

(41:31) Crime prevention and surveillance

(44:57) Should we fully enforce the law?

(53:49) Wrap

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LINKS:

Byrne’s writing: thediff.co

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@eriktorenberg (Erik)

@byrnehobart (Byrne)

@turpentinemedia (Turpentine)

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On this week's episode of The Riff, Erik and Byrne delve into corporate espionage, algorithmic collusion, and the lifecycle of companies amidst technological changes.

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This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at [email protected].

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RECOMMENDED PODCAST: Autopilot explores the adoption and rollout of AI in the industries that drive the economy and the dynamic founders bringing rapid change to slow-moving industries. From law, to hardware, to aviation, Will Summerlin interviews founders backed by Benchmark, Greylock, and more to learn how they're automating at the frontiers in entrenched industries.

Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6YQZkKHN7EP2yWedAvSxBC?si=18377c69a2804333

Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/autopilot-with-will-summerlin/id1738163836

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LINKS:

Byrne’s writing: thediff.co

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X / TWITTER:

@eriktorenberg (Erik)

@byrnehobart (Byrne)

@turpentinemedia (Turpentine)

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Timestamps:

(00:00) Intro

(00:26) Corporate Espionage: The Secret World of Competitive Intelligence

(01:30) Facebook's Competitor Analysis

(07:15) The Ethical Quandaries of Corporate Spying

(15:40) Sponsor: Turpentine

(16:29) Outsourcing and the East Asian Economic Boom

(22:19) Companies Aging Gracefully in the Business World

(25:42) Exploring Business Strategies and Apple's Success

(28:56) Evolution of Employment in the AI Era

(31:31) AI-Based Coding Tools and Job Creation

(33:53) Navigating the Future of Work and AI's Role

(39:39) Algorithmic Collusion: A New Frontier in Antitrust

(55:29) Wrap

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