The SaaS Podcast: How B2B SaaS & AI Founders Get Customers

By Omer KhanBusiness Entrepreneurship Technology

The SaaS Podcast: How B2B SaaS & AI Founders Get Customers episodes

September 14, 2023Founder-Led Sales: 5 Demos a Day at $15M ARR
Brian Elrod still does five customer demos every single day as CEO of a $15M ARR company. That founder-led sales habit is the reason Text Request keeps winning - it took five years to reach $1M ARR, then scaled from $3M to $15M in just three years.
Learn how founder-led sales powered this bootstrapped SaaS company from zero to $15M ARR without a dollar of outside funding. Brian shares how Twilio's $850M acquisition of competitor ZipWhip sent thousands of customers looking for alternatives, and how Text Request won at a 10-to-1 ratio by building a one-click migration tool. He also reveals why narrowing ICP to home service SMBs was the turning point for scaling SaaS growth.
Text Request has 6,000 customers, 40 employees, and has never raised funding. This is a masterclass in founder-led sales discipline and bootstrapped SaaS growth.
Key Lessons
🚀 Scaling SaaS requires narrowing your ICP, not broadening it: Growth only came after Brian focused on home service SMBs with 1-day sales cycles instead of enterprise brands with 6-month cycles.
🎯 Do 5 demos a day for founder-led sales insights: Direct customer conversations reveal product gaps and growth opportunities that no internal report or dashboard can surface.
💰 Build products that drive revenue for customers: Text Request pivoted from customer service messaging to revenue-generating tools after learning companies care about service but only pay for revenue drivers.
🤝 Founder-led sales through competitor displacement beats outbound: When Twilio shut down ZipWhip, Text Request won 10x more displaced customers than competing vendors with a one-click migration tool.
🛠️ Bootstrap discipline forces product-revenue alignment: Without funding, asking "how will we monetize this?" before every feature kept the roadmap tied to paying customer needs.
Chapters
Introduction
Favorite quote - "We have a strategic plan. It's called doing things."
What Text Request does and who it serves
Business size - $15M ARR, 6,000 customers, 40 employees
Where the idea came from - texting a server at a restaurant
Failed first attempt with outsourced development
Finding technical co-founder Rob Reagan through networking
Building the MVP and getting 5 beta customers
Why the first attempt failed - wrong customers
Finding the ideal customer profile through trial and error
Pivoting from customer service tool to revenue tool
How a franchise brand kickstarted growth
How ICP focus changed product development and founder-led sales
Why Brian still does 5 demos a day as CEO
Evolution from door-to-door to content and outbound email
Five years to first $1M ARR, then rapid scaling SaaS to $15M
How Twilio's acquisition of ZipWhip created a growth opportunity
Building what customers need, not what they want
Dealing with industry regulation and product reliability
Managing a founding team that includes your spouse
Lightning round
Resources
Full show notes: https://saasclub.io/367
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48 min
September 07, 2023SaaS Content Marketing: $1M ARR With Zero Outbound
Dominik Angerer built one of the most effective SaaS content marketing engines in the CMS space - with zero outbound sales. Storyblok grew to $1M ARR with just two founders and 25,000 users, powered entirely by long-tail SEO articles and a live chat widget that became a content flywheel.
Learn the SaaS content marketing strategy that ranked Storyblok #1 for "headless CMS explained" - writing technical tutorials for every framework (React, PHP, Angular, Python) instead of chasing high-volume keywords. Every article answered a real question from live chat, creating an inbound marketing SaaS loop that drove signups and reduced support costs simultaneously.
Storyblok is now an 8-figure ARR business with 235 employees and $58M raised. Dominik also reveals why a domain name typo still costs $500K/year and why a freemium SaaS model works for developer tools.
Key Lessons
🎯 SaaS content marketing beats outbound when you solve real problems: Storyblok reached $1M ARR entirely through inbound, answering questions developers were already asking in live chat.
📉 Long-tail SaaS SEO strategy compounds faster than competitive keywords: Targeting "how to use Storyblok with React" built domain authority that eventually ranked them #1 for broader terms.
🛠️ Turn every support question into SaaS content marketing material: Publishing live chat questions as FAQ articles created a self-reinforcing loop of organic traffic and lower support costs.
💰 Freemium SaaS works for developer tools because integration filters users: API-based architecture requires upfront development investment, naturally filtering out non-serious signups.
🚀 Live chat creates relationships that scale into partnerships: Personally answering messages for years built a 1,700-agency partner ecosystem and converted one power user into Head of Product.
Chapters
Introduction
Dominik's favorite quote
What Storyblok does and who it serves
Business size: 8-figure ARR, 235 people, $58M raised
Origin story: agency CMS limitations
What is a headless CMS vs WordPress
Building the prototype for agency clients
Getting first customers through SaaS content marketing
Long-tail SaaS SEO strategy that drove early growth
The domain name typo that costs $500K per year
Losing enterprise customers as a two-person company
Reaching $1M ARR with just two founders
How live chat became a growth channel
Turning support questions into content and customers
Product-led growth vs traditional sales motion
How freemium SaaS works for developer tools
The focus mistake: building too many products
How Storyblok earned Gartner Customer's Choice
One-sentence advice that changed everything
Lightning round
Resources
Full show notes: https://saasclub.io/366
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August 17, 2023SaaS Positioning: From Nice to Have to 4,000 Customers
Jonathan Fields and three co-founders built Assembly nights and weekends for over three years. Their SaaS positioning challenge was clear from day one: they launched a nice-to-have SaaS recognition tool, had no idea what an ICP was, and struggled to find their first paying customer.
Learn how Assembly's SaaS positioning evolved from a nice-to-have engagement tool into a must-have employee intranet serving 4,000+ customers at multi-million dollar ARR. Jonathan shares the SaaS repositioning moment when customers started calling Assembly their intranet after no-code forms doubled platform usage every 12 months. He also reveals the affiliate listicle marketing hack he learned from a mattress company CEO.
Assembly has 35 employees and $14.5M raised. This episode is a SaaS positioning masterclass on moving from a budget-cutting target to an essential line item.
Key Lessons
🎯 SaaS positioning determines survival during downturns: Assembly survived budget cuts by repositioning from a nice-to-have SaaS engagement tool to a must-have intranet, moving up the priority stack.
🛠️ No-code forms beat feature-by-feature competition: Instead of competing with Survey Monkey or Lattice individually, Assembly created a flexible form builder for hundreds of use cases.
💰 Paid listicles outperform organic rankings for lead generation: "Top 10" lists are paid placements. Assembly paid to appear on engagement platform listicles at strong LTV-to-CAC ratios.
🤝 Charge your first customer to get real feedback: Free users lack commitment. Assembly charged full price from customer one, getting harsher but more actionable feedback.
🔄 SaaS positioning can emerge from customer behavior: Assembly didn't plan to become an intranet. Customers called it one after adopting multiple workflows, and the founders leaned in.
Chapters
Introduction
Jonathan's favorite quote and background
What Assembly does and the problem it solves
Business metrics: revenue, customers, team size
The ZipRecruiter origin story
Taking the first step and building nights and weekends
Validating the recognition and rewards market
The brutal reality of finding the first 10 customers
Why charging from day one beats free trials
Navigating a nice-to-have SaaS market pre-pandemic
Building the no-code form builder pivot
Templates vs custom forms for engagement
The buyer vs user challenge in HR SaaS
Making the buyer a hero by listening to users
Growth channels: SEM, SEO, and early traction
The affiliate listicle marketing hack
LTV-to-CAC math for paid marketing channels
Building a referral engine organically
HRIS marketplace partnerships
Competing in a crowded market with SaaS positioning
Using AI to complete the intranet vision
Lightning round
Resources
Full show notes: https://saasclub.io/365
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54 min
August 10, 2023SaaS Positioning: 100 Customers in 100 Days After Pivot
Adam Nathan built a templates marketplace that was growing fast - tens of thousands of users per month during COVID. Then he killed it. He walked away from traction, laid off team members, and went back to square one to fix Almanac's SaaS positioning.
Learn how Adam navigated the hardest SaaS positioning challenge: a horizontal SaaS product that works for everyone but attracts no one. He spent months testing positioning angles, running ads, and doing interviews before narrowing to "living documentation for remote teams." The 100-customers-in-100-days challenge validated the SaaS repositioning and unlocked Series A funding.
Almanac grew to 7-figure ARR with $45M raised. Adam also shares why he lost all three co-founders, how he rebuilt with startup generalists, and the painful lesson that finding product-market fit requires killing products with traction.
Key Lessons
🎯 SaaS positioning beats feature breadth for horizontal products: Almanac attracted no one until the team narrowed positioning to "living documentation for remote teams" and hit 100 customers in under 100 days.
📉 Killing traction is sometimes the right SaaS positioning move: Adam shut down a marketplace with tens of thousands of monthly users because it represented only 5-10% of the value chain.
🔄 Splitting resources between two products kills early-stage startups: Marketing scaled the templates gallery while engineering built the collaboration platform - effectively two companies with early-stage resources.
🧠 Project stability while navigating SaaS positioning uncertainty: Adam compared his search to wandering through fog - internally terrified but externally calm to keep his team of 20 confident.
🤝 Hire startup generalists over functional specialists early: After losing all three co-founders, Adam realized the people who stayed thrived in uncertainty - the defining characteristic of startup life.
Chapters
Introduction
What Almanac does and the size of the business
Origin story - from product manager to founder
Spending a year validating ideas before building
Quitting his job to search for the right idea
Why "hell yes or no" matters for idea validation
Building the templates gallery as a minimum ideal product
The decision to build a platform instead of a plugin
Recruiting contributors without paying them
How cold outreach built the supply side
Getting the first thousand customers through content marketing
COVID as a growth accelerator for templates
Choosing to abandon a thriving marketplace
The challenges of building a horizontal SaaS product
Navigating the fog - searching for new SaaS positioning
The 100 customers in 100 days goal
How focus on remote teams unlocked growth
Losing all three co-founders
Lightning round
Resources
Full show notes: https://saasclub.io/364
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49 min
August 03, 2023Competitive Differentiation: 10 Years Then 400% Growth
Anshu Sharma spent 10 years thinking about one problem before writing a line of code. When he finally launched Skyflow with a SaaS go-to-market strategy built on competitive differentiation through deep expertise, the first customer call ended in a sale.
Learn how Skyflow achieved competitive differentiation by creating an entirely new product category - a privacy API for sensitive data. Anshu built the product for 12 months without a single customer conversation, defying conventional startup wisdom. The result: 400% year-over-year growth, $70M raised, and 100+ customers through thought leadership content that educated the market from first principles.
This is a masterclass in competitive differentiation for founders building category-creating products where no market exists yet. Anshu also shares how he saved a major customer who tried to cancel after a leadership change.
Key Lessons
🎯 Deep expertise replaces customer discovery for competitive differentiation: Anshu studied data privacy for 10 years at Salesforce and Oracle, making interviews unnecessary because he knew the problem better than buyers.
🏢 Category creation requires a different SaaS go-to-market playbook: New infrastructure categories need enough product built for a CTO to see why the architecture is fundamentally different.
📉 Customer cancellations become growth opportunities: When Skyflow's largest customer tried to cancel after a leadership change, Anshu listened to the new CTO's priorities and turned a critic into a champion.
💰 Thought leadership drove competitive differentiation from 10 to 100 customers: Blog posts explaining from first principles why a data privacy vault was needed generated inbound leads consistently.
🚀 Seed investors fund asymmetric bets on new categories: Most VCs rejected Skyflow, but one saw a company that could become worth $100B if it worked, leading to a $6M seed round.
Chapters
Introduction
Anshu's favorite quote from Marc Benioff
What Skyflow does and how it works
Skyflow's ideal customer profile
Revenue, growth, and team size
How tokenization and data vaults work
Origin story - 10 years of seeing the privacy problem
What triggered the decision to finally start Skyflow
Building the MVP without talking to customers
How long the MVP took to build
Self-funding vs raising - first 6 months
Why category-creating companies cannot pivot
MongoDB and the category creation pattern
Getting the first 10 customers
Why Anshu sets context before showing demos
Narrowing down the ICP for a horizontal product
Getting from 10 to 100 customers with thought leadership content
Story of a customer trying to cancel
Lightning round
Resources
Full show notes: https://saasclub.io/363
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56 min
July 27, 2023B2B SaaS Sales: Weekend POC That Won a Fortune 500
Nabeil Alazzam had 48 hours to prove his startup could handle enterprise sales compensation for a Fortune 500 company. He got the data at 5pm on a Friday. The meeting was Monday. That weekend B2B SaaS sales play won one of his most important early customers.
Learn how Forma.ai bootstrapped B2B SaaS sales for nearly four years before raising $58M, building the initial product in 8 months from a dining room. Nabeil shares how weekend data analyses replaced traditional enterprise sales demos, why demonstrating value during the B2B SaaS sales process beats pitching features, and how stacking customer references accelerated deals after the first five wins.
Today Forma.ai is an 8-figure ARR business with 125+ employees, serving Fortune 500 companies with AI-powered sales compensation optimization.
Key Lessons
🏢 Win B2B SaaS sales by demonstrating value, not pitching: Nabeil closed a Fortune 500 deal by analyzing prospect data over a weekend and presenting 6 slides revealing budget overruns their current system missed.
🤝 Mitigate risk for enterprise buyers in B2B SaaS sales: Enterprise decision-makers fear choosing an unknown startup. Showing results from their own data removes that fear before asking for commitment.
🎯 Solve the right problem, not the obvious one: Incumbents built calculators for comp plan configuration. Forma.ai targeted the design and strategy problem in enterprise sales compensation.
📉 Bootstrap B2B SaaS sales by focusing on one customer at a time: Nabeil spent 8 months building for Stryker, then stacked references until enterprise deals accelerated after customer five.
💰 Use domain expertise to de-risk enterprise sales from day one: Years as a sales comp consultant gave Nabeil deep knowledge of buyer pain points that no outsider could match.
Chapters
Introduction
What is Forma.ai and what problem does it solve
The origin story - consulting at Fortune 500 companies in 2014
Pitching Stryker on a product that did not exist yet
Nabeil's background in engineering and entrepreneurship
Size of the business today - 8-figure ARR and $58M raised
Building the first product in 8 months with a deadline
Bootstrapping from savings and scaling to 23 people in a dining room
Launching with Stryker - the silence was deafening
Winning the next enterprise customers through cold outbound
The 48-hour weekend POC that won customer number two
Educating Fortune 500 buyers on an AI-first approach
How AI awareness has shifted B2B SaaS sales conversations
TAM analysis - $1.2 trillion in sales comp
Competition and solving the right problem vs incumbents
Lightning round
Resources
Full show notes: https://saasclub.io/362
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52 min
July 20, 2023SaaS Product Design: Why Wireframing Saves Months
A team spent months building their product, ran user testing, and shipped it - only to get devastating feedback because they skipped the SaaS product design exploration phase. They had to scrap everything and start over.
Leon Barnard, Education Team Lead at Balsamiq and co-author of Wireframing for Everyone, delivers a wireframing masterclass for founders. Learn why the cheapest time to make SaaS product design mistakes is before you write code, and how low-fidelity prototyping helps you explore 10 different solutions before committing to one.
This episode covers the three phases of wireframing for startups, tools founders can use (Balsamiq, Whimsical, Miro), common SaaS product design mistakes that waste development time, and why constraints in your product design process actually produce better results.
Key Lessons
🛠️ Start SaaS product design with your worst wireframe: A deliberately rough sketch keeps you focused on solving the right problem instead of polishing the wrong solution.
📉 Skipping exploration kills products: A team built and shipped without early wireframing for startups, received devastating feedback, and scrapped everything.
🎯 Match wireframing roles to SaaS product design phases: Anyone can brainstorm in the early phase, but handoff wireframes need designers who understand UI patterns and templates.
🛠️ Choose tools that constrain you on purpose: Low-fidelity prototyping tools like Balsamiq and Whimsical prevent premature attention to visual details.
🧠 Think in templates, not screens: Designing reusable components saves money, aligns with how developers write code, and produces more consistent products.
Chapters
Introduction
What is Wireframing for Everyone about?
Simple definition of wireframing
Why wireframing matters for SaaS product design
No-code tools make it easy to skip wireframing
Who should create wireframes?
Low fidelity vs high fidelity wireframes
Building your first wireframe
Why founders should not try to be designers
Fat Marker Sketches from Basecamp
Content modeling with sticky notes
Choosing the right wireframing tools
Balsamiq, Whimsical, Miro vs Figma
Wireframing in PowerPoint and Omnigraffle
Pick the tool that matches your speed
Common SaaS product design mistakes
Using user stories with wireframes
Why constraints improve wireframes
When to involve a designer
Think in templates, not individual screens
Case study: team that shipped the wrong product
Key takeaway and wrap-up
Resources
Full show notes: https://saasclub.io/361
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44 min
July 13, 2023Niche SaaS: 18 Months in Back Offices to $10M ARR
Sufian Chowdhury burned through $80,000 building the wrong product, then COVID wiped out 70% of his customers. Instead of quitting, he built a niche SaaS company that now handles 7 million rides a year and is approaching $10M ARR.
Learn how Kinetik became the first vertical SaaS platform for non-emergency medical transportation by physically sitting in customer back offices for 18 months. Sufian shares why building niche SaaS requires domain expertise most outsiders lack - he personally drove for his first customer to understand the market. The result: billing cycles cut from 60 days to 21 days and 40 hours of manual work reduced to 30 minutes.
This episode is a playbook for building niche SaaS in industries where pen-and-paper processes still dominate and healthcare SaaS opportunities hide in overlooked verticals.
Key Lessons
🎯 Deep immersion reveals niche SaaS opportunities others miss: Sufian personally drove for his friend's transport company and spent 18 months in customer back offices to understand an industry no outsider had tried to build vertical software for.
📉 Building for one customer kills niche SaaS products: Kinetik spent six months and $80K building a custom product before discovering every company operated differently, forcing a restart.
🔄 Use downturns to expand your niche SaaS platform: When COVID wiped out 70% of customers, Kinetik hired 20 engineers and built a scheduling product that grew TAM from $150M to $3B.
💰 Sell financial outcomes when customers don't understand tech: Transport companies saw no value in software until Sufian framed billing automation as saving 39 days of payment delays.
🤝 In-person sales close niche SaaS deals with non-technical buyers: Sufian flew to rural locations for four years because mom-and-pop transport companies would not adopt technology from a phone pitch.
Chapters
Introduction
Favorite quote and live audience
What Kinetik does and who it serves
Multi-sided marketplace and customer segments
Business size: approaching $10M ARR with 100 employees
Origin story: the Excel spreadsheet that started it all
Building the wrong product for six months
Finding first customers door-to-door
Selling niche SaaS to non-technical transport companies
Five years to first million in ARR
COVID impact: losing 70% of customers
Pivoting to a bigger vision during COVID
Why nobody had solved this problem before
Sitting in back offices every day for 18 months
Building the scheduling platform
How brokers accidentally sold the vertical SaaS product
Landing the first health plan contract
Enterprise sales cycles from 1 month to 2 years
Medicaid market size and future vision
Advice for founders in the early years
Lightning round
Resources
Full show notes: https://saasclub.io/360
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51 min
July 06, 2023B2B SaaS Sales: 2 Years of Discovery Then $10M ARR
Brett Turner spent two years talking to customers, VCs, and bank treasurers before writing a single line of code. Then he made a bet that could have killed the company - he started building before banks had the APIs he needed for his enterprise SaaS product.
Learn how Trovata survived a two-year wait for bank APIs, turned JP Morgan into both an investor and a B2B SaaS sales channel, and grew to $10M ARR by selling to the most risk-averse buyers in corporate finance. Brett shares how "transference of trust" works in enterprise sales - leading every conversation with "We're a JP Morgan-backed solution" to win B2B SaaS sales with professional risk managers.
Trovata has raised $58M, serves 200+ customers, and grows 2.5x year over year. This is a masterclass in B2B SaaS sales for founders entering enterprise markets.
Key Lessons
🏢 Enterprise SaaS demands longer discovery phases: Brett spent 2+ years testing his thesis with VCs and treasurers before writing code, reducing risk to pure execution.
🤝 Turn investors into B2B SaaS sales channels: JP Morgan invested after seeing Trovata connect to their APIs, then became a referral source for enterprise sales prospects.
⚡ Enterprise MVPs require more rigor than consumer products: Trovata pursued SOC compliance far earlier because one bad experience with a bank-referred customer would destroy the partnership.
🎯 Use "transference of trust" to win B2B SaaS sales with risk-averse buyers: Leading with "We're JP Morgan-backed" gave Trovata instant credibility with corporate finance teams.
🚀 Build multiple ways to win in B2B SaaS sales: Trovata combined direct outbound, bank referrals, JP Morgan credibility, and early adopter evangelism rather than depending on one channel.
Chapters
Introduction
Brett's favorite quote - no shortcuts in building a great company
What Trovata does - automated cash management for enterprises
The origin story - 20 years in the making
The two-year discovery phase before building
Does a track record make enterprise discovery easier?
Building an enterprise MVP when you depend on bank APIs
The big bet - waiting for banks to release corporate APIs
JP Morgan, Wells Fargo, and Bank of America launch APIs
Trovata by the numbers - $10M ARR, 200+ customers, $58M raised
Customer acquisition - bank referrals plus direct B2B SaaS sales
Overcoming risk aversion in enterprise sales
Solo founder vs co-founder after three previous exits
Lightning round
Book recommendations and final thoughts
Resources
Full show notes: https://saasclub.io/359
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48 min
June 29, 2023SaaS Retention: From 60% Churn to Zero in 3 Years
Ulf Arnetz watched his revenue drop from $5M to $2M after switching from services to SaaS. Then he discovered a devastating SaaS churn rate of 60% was destroying everything. The product only served CEOs - managers and employees got nothing from it.
Learn how Howwe fixed SaaS retention by rebuilding the product so every employee could see their financial impact on company strategy. The result: zero churn for three consecutive years and revenue recovery to $5.1M ARR with 96% from subscriptions. Ulf also shares how cold-calling CEOs with research-driven conversations produced an 85% meeting rate, and how a self-assessment tool tripled the sales hit rate.
This episode is a masterclass in reducing churn by expanding value beyond the executive buyer to every user in the organization - the key to lasting SaaS retention.
Key Lessons
📉 SaaS retention reveals who your product actually serves: Howwe's 60% SaaS churn proved the product only worked for CEOs. Adding value for managers and employees eliminated churn entirely for three years.
🤝 Sell to CEOs by leading with research, not pitches: Ulf's team achieved an 85% first-meeting rate by cold-calling with company-specific insights about what the CEO is measured on.
🔄 Create buyer pull with self-assessment tools: Howwe's assessment helped CEOs self-diagnose execution gaps, lifting the sales hit rate from 6% to 17% and reducing churn risk post-sale.
💰 Plan for revenue loss during services to SaaS transitions: Revenue dropped from $5.1M to $2M after switching pricing models - budget for worse than expected.
🎯 Measure employee impact on strategy to improve SaaS retention: Letting every employee see their financial contribution to company strategy made Howwe sticky enough for 0% churn.
Chapters
Introduction
Ulf's favorite quote on building a company that does good
What Howwe does and the problem it solves for CEOs
How Howwe differs from OKR and workflow tools
Business support and AI-powered strategic alignment
Revenue, team size, and company metrics
Creating a new category - enterprise execution software
Origin story and founding Howwe in 2012
Transitioning from services to SaaS and the revenue drop
The 60% SaaS churn problem and selling to CEOs
Getting first customers by cold-calling CEOs
Why cold calls achieved an 85% meeting rate
Sales cycle from six months down to three months
Overcoming low close rates with resistant executives
Root cause of SaaS churn and rebuilding for all users
Executive resistance and internal politics
Assessment tool that tripled the sales hit rate
Measuring employee satisfaction and SaaS retention
How Howwe delivers 8-24x ROI in the first year
Competitive landscape and Microsoft entering the market
Lightning round
Resources
Full show notes: https://saasclub.io/358
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45 min

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Building software got easier. Getting customers didn't. Every week, a founder building B2B SaaS or an AI product tells you how they got their first customers, and how they kept them: what worked, what didn't, and what they'd do differently.