The Social-Engineer Podcast

This month, Chris Hadnagy and Ryan MacDougall are joined by Adam Levin. Adam is a nationally recognized expert on cybersecurity, privacy, identity theft, fraud, and personal finance and has distinguished himself as a fierce consumer advocate for the past 50 years. Adam is the former Director of the New Jersey Division of Consumer Affairs, and currently is the founder of CyberScout and co-founder of Credit.com. He is also author of the critically acclaimed book Swiped: How to Protect Yourself in a World Full of Scammers, Phishers, and Identity Thieves. Adam is also the host of the podcast What the Hack with Adam Levin, where they talk to fascinating people about the most terrifying things that ever happened to them in cyberspace. (December 20, 2021)

00:00 – Intro

- Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/

- Managed Voice Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/

- Managed Email Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/

- Adversarial Simulations - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/

- Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb

- CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/

- innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/

- Human Behavior Conference – https://humanbehaviorcon.com/

03:26 - Adam Levin Intro

04:37 – How did you get started in the industry?

07:42 – What has the shift been like in the types of attacks from the 90s until now?

09:53 – How does the recent Robinhood breach tie into what we're discussing?

12:00 – What should people be focusing on when they hear stories like this?

14:28 – Do these simplistic solutions really work?

18:45 – What type of advice would you give to companies that have public facing employees?

20:22 – You said something interesting earlier, "the company has to deal with it empathetically". What does that mean to you?

24:51 – Empathy, continued

30:22 – What do you see coming in the near future, what types of scams will become popular?

33:53 – What are some things people can look out for to avoid scams?

38:20 – Do you find that catastrophe and the emotional factor is used to get people to fall for scams?

41:39 – Finding Adam on the web:

- www.adamlevin.com

- https://adamlevin.com/what-the-hack/

42:57 – What are some action steps corporations can take to protect themselves?

45:13 – Who is your greatest mentor?

- Virginia Long, director of Consumer Affairs

- Ian Cohen – CEO of Lokker, a privacy company

- Bill Tait – Vice Chairman at Humana

- Jennifer Leuer – came from Experian

47:40 – Book Recommendations

- Condor – TV Show

- Spy novels (none specifically suggested) authors: Tom Clancy, Brad Thor, Vince Flynn

- Yellowstone – TV Show series

- FBI series and all spinoffs

49:16 – Outro

- www.innocentlivesfoundation.org

- www.social-engineer.com

- www.pro-rock.com

Today we are joined by Gena Cox, PhD. Gena is a corporate adviser and executive coach known as a straight-shooter who also brings warmth and generosity of spirit to her partnerships. She guides CEOs, leaders, and boards as they respond to evolving stakeholder expectations and transformation driven by societal change and organic and M&A growth. Her differentiator is the nuanced insights and recommendations she brings from a lifetime of continuous multi-disciplinary learning, enabling her to offer clients uniquely invaluable insights. Her book, Leading Inclusion, is available wherever books are sold. The book catalyzes executive leaders to drive inclusion from the top of their organizations. [March 13, 2023]

00:00 – Intro

00:20 – Intro Links

- Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/

- Managed Voice Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/

- Managed Email Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/

- Adversarial Simulations - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/

- Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb

- CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/

- innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/

02:43 - Gena Cox Intro

04:00 - What was the path to becoming a Leadership Advisor?

07:25 - Dealing With the Frustration

09:24 - The Immigrant Experience

11:27 - The Need for a Strategy

16:08 - Inclusion Tops Diversity

19:32 - Are You REDI?

20:52 - A Leadership Problem

24:33 - Chief Transformation Officer

27:21 - From the Top Down

30:33 - Don't Assume, Ask!

33:54 - Is there anybody listening?

38:05 - Find Gena Cox online

- Website: https://genacox.com

- LinkedIn: in/genacox

- Instagram: @genacoxphd

- Twitter: @genacox

38:54 - Book Recommendations

- Can We Talk? - Roberta Chinsky Matuson

- TED Talks - Chris Anderson

- Leading Inclusion - Gena Cox

42:00 - Who would you consider your greatest mentors?

- Maternal Grandmother

- Lawrence W. Hamilton

45:19 - Guest Wrap Up & Outro

- www.social-engineer.com

- www.innocentlivesfoundation.org

Welcome to the Social-Engineer Podcast: The Doctor Is In Series - where we will discuss understandings and developments in the field of psychology.

In today's episode, Chris and Abbie are discussing: The Illusion of Rational Thought. We will discuss the positives and negatives of rational decision making, as well as the role our emotions play in our decision making processes. [March 6, 2023]

00:00 - Intro

00:22 - Dr. Abbie Maroño Intro

01:21 - Intro Links

- Tuxcare – tuxcare.com

- Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/

- Managed Voice Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/

- Managed Email Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/

- Adversarial Simulations - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/

- Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb

- CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/

- innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/

06:00 - The Topic of the Day: The Illusion of Rational Thinking

08:18 - The Difference "Framing" Makes

12:53 - Why "FREE" Isn't Free

17:49 - Western Influence

20:02 - Having More, Feeling Less

22:00 - Analysis Paralysis

28:33 - Embodied Cognition

30:21 - You're Getting Warmer

33:59 - Excitation Transfer Theory

35:13 - Let the Countdown Begin

39:02 - Emotional Responses

42:31 - Incidental Emotions

45:45 - Wrap Up

- www.social-engineer.com

- www.innocentlivesfoundation.org

48:01 - Outro

Find us online:

- Twitter: https://twitter.com/abbiejmarono

- LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/dr-abbie-maroño-phd-35ab2611a

- Twitter: https://twitter.com/humanhacker

- LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/christopherhadnagy

References:

Mano, H. (1990). Emotional states and decision making. ACR North American Advances.

DellaVigna, S. (2009). Psychology and economics: Evidence from the field. Journal of Economic literature, 47(2), 315-372.

Nickerson, R. S. (1998). Confirmation bias: A ubiquitous phenomenon in many guises. Review of general psychology, 2(2), 175-220.

Klein, N. H., & Oglethorpe, J. E. (1987). Cognitive reference points in consumer decision making. ACR North American Advances.

Koop, G. J., & Johnson, J. G. (2012). The use of multiple reference points in risky decision making. Journal of Behavioral Decision Making, 25(1), 49-62.

Seiler, M. J., Seiler, V. L., & Lane, M. A. (2012). Mental accounting and false reference points in real estate investment decision making. Journal of Behavioral finance, 13(1), 17-26.

Bottom, W. P., & Studt, A. (1993). Framing effects and the distributive aspects of integrative bargaining. Organizational Behavior and Human Decision Processes, 56, 459–474

So, J., Achar, C., Han, D., Agrawal, N., Duhachek, A., & Maheswaran, D. (2015). The psychology of appraisal: Specific emotions and decision-making. Journal of Consumer Psychology, 25(3), 359-371.

Kristensen, H., & Ga¨ rling, T. (1997). Anchor points, reference points, and counteroffers in negotiations. Manuscript submitted for publication.

Neale, M. A., Huber, V. L., & Northcraft, G. B. (1987). The framing of negotiations: Contextual versus task frames. Organizational Behavior and Human Decision Processes, 39, 228–241

Broniarczyk, Susan M., Hoyer, Wayne D., & McAlister, Leigh (1998). Consumers' perceptions of the assortment offered in a grocery category: The impact of item reduction. Journal of Marketing Research, 35(May), 166–176.

Carpenter, Gregory S., & Nakamoto, Kent (1989). Consumer preference formation and pioneering advantage. Journal of Marketing Research, 26(August), 285–298

Andrade, E. B., & Ariely, D. (2009). The enduring impact of transient emotions on decision making. Organizational behavior and human decision processes, 109(1), 1-8.

Foglia, L., & Wilson, R. A. (2013). Embodied cognition. Wiley Interdisciplinary Reviews: Cognitive Science, 4(3), 319-325.

Wilson, A. D., & Golonka, S. (2013). Embodied cognition is not what you think it is. Frontiers in psychology, 4, 58.

Wilson, M. (2002). Six views of embodied cognition. Psychonomic bulletin & review, 9, 625-636.

Inagaki, T. K., & Eisenberger, N. I. (2013). Shared neural mechanisms underlying social warmth and physical warmth. Psychological science, 24(11), 2272-2280.

Welcome to the Social-Engineer Podcast: The SE Etc. Series. This series will be hosted by Chris Hadnagy, CEO of Social-Engineer LLC, and The Innocent Lives Foundation, as well as Social-Engineer.Org and The Institute for Social Engineering. Chris will be joined by his co-host Patrick Laverty as they discuss topics pertaining to the world of Social Engineering. [Feb 27, 2023]

00:00 - Intro

00:46 - Patrick Laverty Intro

01:40 - Intro Links

- Tuxcare – tuxcare.com

- Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/

- Managed Voice Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/

- Managed Email Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/

- Adversarial Simulations - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/

- Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb

- CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/

- innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/

06:11 - Todays Topic: Popular Scams and How They Work

08:21 - Let's Start with Romance Scams

10:10 - How it Starts

15:34 - Preying on Loss

17:01 - What about the IRS scams?

20:52 - Protecting the Grandparents

23:28 - Real Customer Service

27:32 - The Parent Trap

29:51 - Scamming Kids

32:00 - What can we do?

33:43 - The Next Steps

37:01 - The Power of Suggestions

39:27 - Wrap Up & Outro

- www.social-engineer.com

- www.innocentlivesfoundation.org

Find us online

- Chris Hadnagy

- Twitter: @humanhacker

- LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/christopherhadnagy

- Patrick Laverty

- Twitter: @plaverty9

- LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/plaverty9

Today on the Social-Engineer Podcast: The Security Awareness Series, Ryan and I are joined by Haseeb Awan. Haseeb is the CEO & Founder of Efani Secure Mobile, a company that works with ultra-high-net-worth individuals on their Mobile Security. Previously, he co-founded one of the largest Bitcoin ATM networks. He has been featured on NYT, TechCrunch, Wall Street Journal, Hulu, and several international media outlets. [Feb 20, 2023]

00:00 - Intro

00:50 - Intro Links:

- Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/

- Tuxcare – tuxcare.com

- Managed Voice Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/

- Managed Email Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/

- Adversarial Simulations - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/

- Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb

- CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/

- innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/

03:55 - Haseeb Awan Intro

05:23 - What led you from Bitcoin to Sim Swapping?

10:10 - More Than Financial Loss

12:27 - Protecting Something Out of Your Control

14:06 - It's About More than the Price

16:52 - Security vs Convenience

20:00 - Explaining Without Scaring

24:26 - The Importance of Stories

26:15 - Consider It Insurance

28:38 - Will the TelCos Follow Suit?

31:19 - Tips for a More Secure Company

32:33 - Book Recommendations:

- Zero to One – Peter Thiel

34:08 - Find Haseeb Awan Online

- Twitter: https://twitter.com/haseeb

- Twitter: https://twitter.com/efani

- LinkedIn: linkedin.com/company/efani/

- YouTube: https://youtube.com/@efani

34:52 - Wrap Up & Outro

- www.social-engineer.com

- www.innocentlivesfoundation.org

Today we are joined by Dr. Cortney S. Warren, a board-certified clinical psychologist and former tenured associate professor of psychology at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas.

Dr. Warren is an expert on addictions, self-deception, eating pathology, and the practice of psychotherapy from a cross-cultural perspective. With almost 50 peer reviewed journal articles, 7 book chapters, two books, and 75 professional presentations, Dr. Warren's work appears in some of the field's top journals. She has won some of the most prestigious awards in her field.

In addition to publishing in scientific, peer-reviewed journals, Dr. Warren is passionate about bringing psychological research to the general public. She works as a research consultant, keynote speaker, and writes a blog for Psychology Today. This month, she published a self-help book on love addiction and breakups called Letting Go of Your Ex. [Feb 13, 2023]

00:00 – Intro

00:22 – Intro Links

• Social-Engineer.com- http://www.social-engineer.com/
• Managed Voice Phishing- https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/
• Managed Email Phishing- https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/
• Adversarial Simulations- https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/
• Social-Engineer channel on SLACK- https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb
• CLUTCH- http://www.pro-rock.com/
• org- http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/

04:01 - Dr. Cortney Warren Intro

05:51 - A Personal and Professional Merging of Experiences

07:41 - Freedom in the Hard Truth

09:43 - The Path from Honest Liars

11:54 - Core Struggle: Addictive Behaviors

15:09 - The War Inside Your Head

16:48 - Hold Up a Mirror

18:18 - The Role of Self Deception (In Love)

22:08 - Addicted to Love

24:40 - When the Honeymoon is Over

28:37 - Guided by Values

31:42 - The Importance of Alignment

34:10 - Leading By Example

36:06 - A Call for Compassion

38:49 - Find Dr. Cortney Warren online

• Website: https://drcortney.com/
• LinkedIn: in/drcortney
• Instagram: drcortneywarren
• TikTok: @drcortneywarren
• Twitter: @DrCortneyWarren
• Psychology Today: Naked Truth Blog

40:09 - Who do you consider your greatest mentors?

• Jaine Strauss
• Nancy Raymond
• David Gleaves
• Antonio Cepeda-Benito

41:10 - My Grandmother: A Lesson in Resilience

44:09 - Book Recommendations

• Man's Search for Meaning - Viktor Frankl
• Up from Slavery - Booker T. Washington
• Letting Go of Your Ex - Cortney Warren

46:08 - Guest Wrap Up

46:48 – Outro

• social-engineer.com
• innocentlivesfoundation.org

Welcome to the Social-Engineer Podcast: The Doctor Is In Series – where we will discuss understandings and developments in the field of psychology.

In today's episode, Chris and Abbie are discussing: Information Elicitation. We will discuss what it is, why it's so important to use 'science-based interviewing', and why approaches that encourage cooperation are better than manipulation of information retrieval. [Feb 6, 2023]

00:00 – Intro

00:20 – Dr. Abbie Maroño Intro

00:54 – Intro Links

• Social-Engineer.com- http://www.social-engineer.com/
• Managed Voice Phishing- https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/
• Managed Email Phishing- https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/
• Adversarial Simulations- https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/
• Social-Engineer channel on SLACK- https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb
• CLUTCH- http://www.pro-rock.com/
• org- http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/

03:58 – The Topic of the Day: Information Elicitation

05:41 – How does your scientific research affect practitioners?

06:47 – Start with the Brain

07:32 – Elicitation: A Scientific Definition

09:36 – Weaponizing Elicitation

11:17 – It's Easier Than You Think

13:40 – The Perils of Poker Face

16:41 – Being on the Defensive

19:17 – Me, You, and Us

21:28 – The Verbal Approaches

25:16 – Collaboration is Key!

30:37 – An Effective Approach: Subliminal Priming

32:00 – "They'll Become What They're Called"

33:33 – This Applies to Life

35:07 – Make it Conversational

36:56 – The Scharff Technique

40:48 – Forensic vs Clinical

43:23 – Last Week on "24"

45:01 – Tips for the Boss: Shame Doesn't Work

49:41 – This is the Hardest Part

51:46 – Wrap Up & Outro

• social-engineer.com
• innocentlivesfoundation.org

Find us online:

• Twitter: https://twitter.com/abbiejmarono
• LinkedIn: com/in/dr-abbie-maroño-phd-35ab2611a
• Twitter: https://twitter.com/humanhacker
• LinkedIn: com/in/christopherhadnagy

References:

Kong, Y., & Schoenebeck, G. (2019). An information theoretic framework for designing information elicitation mechanisms that reward truth-telling. ACM Transactions on Economics and Computation (TEAC), 7(1), 1-33.

Lakin, J. L., Jefferis, V. E., Cheng, C. M., & Chartrand, T. L. (2003). The chameleon effect as social glue: Evidence for the evolutionary significance of nonconscious mimicry. Journal of nonverbal behavior, 27(3), 145-162.

Tschacher, W., Rees, G. M., & Ramseyer, F. (2014). Nonverbal synchrony and affect in dyadic interactions. Frontiers in psychology, 5, 1323.

Brandon, S. E., Wells, S., & Seale, C. (2018). Science‐based interviewing:

Information elicitation. Journal of Investigative Psychology and Offender Profiling, 15(2), 133-148.

Kong, Y., Schoenebeck, G., Tao, B., & Yu, F. Y. (2020, April). Information elicitation mechanisms for statistical estimation. In Proceedings of the AAAI Conference on Artificial Intelligence (Vol. 34, No. 02, pp. 2095-2102).

Shaw, D. J., Vrij, A., Leal, S., Mann, S., Hillman, J., Granhag, P. A., & Fisher, R. P. (2015). Mimicry and investigative interviewing: Using deliberate mimicry to elicit information and cues to deceit. Journal of Investigative Psychology and

Offender Profiling, 12(3), 217-230.

Baddeley, M. C., Curtis, A., & Wood, R. (2004). An introduction to prior information derived from probabilistic judgements: elicitation of knowledge, cognitive bias and herding. Geological Society, London, Special Publications, 239(1), 15-27.

Deeb, H., Vrij, A., Leal, S., & Burkhardt, J. (2021). The effects of sketching while narrating on information elicitation and deception detection in multiple interviews. Acta Psychologica, 213, 103236.

Boone, R. T., & Buck, R. (2003). Emotional expressivity and trustworthiness: The role of nonverbal behavior in the evolution of cooperation. Journal of Nonverbal Behavior, 27(3), 163-182.

Culpepper, P. D. (2018). Creating cooperation. In Creating Cooperation. Cornell University Press.

Brimbal, L., Dianiska, R. E., Swanner, J. K., & Meissner, C. A. (2019). Enhancing cooperation and disclosure by manipulating affiliation and developing rapport in investigative interviews. Psychology, Public Policy, and Law, 25(2), 107.

Granhag, P. A., Oleszkiewicz, S., Strömwall, L. A., & Kleinman, S. M. (2015).

Eliciting intelligence with the Scharff technique: Interviewing more and less cooperative and capable sources. Psychology, Public Policy, and Law, 21(1), 100.

Vallano, J. P., & Schreiber Compo, N. (2015). Rapport-building with cooperative witnesses and criminal suspects: A theoretical and empirical review. Psychology, Public Policy, and Law, 21(1), 85.

Rilling, J. K., Gutman, D. A., Zeh, T. R., Pagnoni, G., Berns, G. S., & Kilts, C. D. (2002). A neural basis for social cooperation. Neuron, 35(2), 395-405.

Fehr, E., & Rockenbach, B. (2004). Human altruism: economic, neural, and evolutionary perspectives. Current opinion in neurobiology, 14(6), 784-790.

Krill, A. L., & Platek, S. M. (2012). Working together may be better: Activation of reward centers during a cooperative maze task. PloS one, 7(2), e30613.

Welcome to the Social-Engineer Podcast: The SE Etc. Series. This series will be hosted by Chris Hadnagy, CEO of Social-Engineer LLC, and The Innocent Lives Foundation, as well as Social-Engineer.Org and The Institute for Social Engineering. Chris will be joined by his co-host Patrick Laverty as they discuss topics pertaining to the world of Social Engineering. [Jan 30, 2023]

00:00 – Intro

00:28 – Patrick Laverty Intro

00:58 – Intro Links

• Social-Engineer.com- http://www.social-engineer.com/
• Managed Voice Phishing- https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/
• Managed Email Phishing- https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/
• Adversarial Simulations- https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/
• Social-Engineer channel on SLACK- https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb
• CLUTCH- http://www.pro-rock.com/
• org- http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/

05:38 – "You never know"

06:51 – Todays Topic: The Role of Empathy in SE

07:02 – Empathy: A Definition

11:09 – 3 Kinds of Empathy

11:23 – Cognitive Empathy

12:21 – Emotional Empathy

13:00 – Empathic Concern

15:52 – The Role of Emotional Distance

16:57 – Learning Empathy

17:49 – What the Studies Show

19:56 – Keeping an Open Mind

21:35 – Letting Your Life Experiences Teach You

23:52 – The Social Media Bubble

25:55 – Expand And Listen

30:13 – Applying Empathy to Social Engineering

31:25 – Being Adversarial

32:45 – Don't Be the Bad Guy

38:33 – The Importance of "Why"

42:51 – Using Empathy to Make the Best Choice

48:07 – Using Empathy to Make the Hard Choice

49:55 – Practice Makes (Not Quite) Perfect

51:17 – Coming Up Next Month

52:08 – Wrap Up & Outro

• social-engineer.com
• innocentlivesfoundation.org

Find us online

• Chris Hadnagy
  • Twitter: @humanhacker
  • LinkedIn: com/in/christopherhadnagy
• Patrick Laverty
  • Twitter: @plaverty9
  • LinkedIn: com/in/plaverty9

Today on the Social-Engineer Podcast: The Security Awareness Series, Ryan and I will have a special discussion of the 2023 security landscape. [Jan 27, 2023]

00:00 – Intro

00:27 – Intro Links:

• Social-Engineer.com- http://www.social-engineer.com/
• Managed Voice Phishing- https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/
• Managed Email Phishing- https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/
• Adversarial Simulations- https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/
• Social-Engineer channel on SLACK- https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb
• CLUTCH- http://www.pro-rock.com/
• innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/

04:25 – Don't Forget Ryan

05:11 – What Are We Talking About: 2023 Edition

05:39 – 2022 Was Rough!

07:09 – Getting Everyone Else Up To Speed

09:24 – Hackers for Hire?

12:58 – Economic Crisis = Rise in Cybercrime

15:10 – Emotional Victimizing

18:08 – Losing the Teachable Moment

20:42 – Ransomware as a Growth Industry

24:20 – MFA for All!

27:15 – There is Hope

28:40 – Make It Personal

30:47 – A Tool is Just a Tool

33:25 – Don't Recycle

34:53 – Make it Hard!

36:29 – Gotta Get it Tailored

37:47 – Trust the Process

39:40 – Wrap Up & Outro

• social-engineer.com
• innocentlivesfoundation.org

Today we are joined by Robert Kerbeck. Robert is the founder of the Malibu Writers Circle, a lifetime member of the Actors Studio, and a graduate of the University of Pennsylvania. His true crime memoir about his secret career as a corporate spy, RUSE: Lying the American Dream from Hollywood to Wall Street, has received praise from Frank Abagnale and former CIA Agent Valerie Plame. Kerbeck's writing has appeared in numerous publications including the Los Angeles Times, the San Francisco Chronicle, Los Angeles Magazine, and Lithub's Crime Reads. [Jan 25, 2023]

00:00 – Intro

00:26 – Intro Links

• Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/

• Managed Voice Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/
• Managed Email Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/
• Adversarial Simulations - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/
• Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb
• CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/

• innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/

02:21 – Robert Kerbeck Intro

03:28 – How do you "stumble" into becoming a corporate spy?

06:51 – Going inside: This is Social Engineering

08:29 – Very Dark Grey

10:33 – We Need to Talk About Kevin

11:25 – Making OJ look good

15:25 – Doing what LinkedIn can't

19:54 – Making the lie sound better than the truth

21:13 – Setting boundaries

22:21 – Hacking people is easy

24:46 – Some need convincing

26:08 – Ransomware

28:38 – No spies here!

30:03 – This isn't going away!

31:08 – Knock, knock

32:35 – Hacking the human

34:59 – Find Robert Kerbeck online

• Website: www.robertkerbeck.com

35:43 – Who do you consider your mentors?

• Professor from Freshman Year
• Frank Abagnale

36:49 – Book Recommendations:

• Fair Game – Valerie Plame
• Catch Me If You Can – Frank Abagnale

• RUSE – Robert Kerbeck

38:00 – Guest Wrap Up

38:26 – Outro

• www.social-engineer.com
• www.innocentlivesfoundation.org