In this episode of the Intrinsically Ordered Podcast, I sit down with Minh (  @Kenapologeticscatholic   ) a Catholic apologist and street evangelist, for one of the most intense and philosophical debates I’ve had on the show. We dive deep into the question of homosexuality from Catholic, secular, and philosophical angles—covering everything from natural law, metaethics, and sexual ethics to kink, bestiality, and gender abolition.

As a queer ex-Catholic, I challenge Minh on the idea that gay sex is somehow less moral or meaningful. Minh presents two dense arguments based on Catholic philosophy—and I try to pull them apart with both real-world data and a more progressive ethical lens.

This one isn’t for the faint of heart—but it’s a vital, rigorous discussion about what it means to be moral, sexual, and human.

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0:00 – Introducing Minh & the Debate Framework
3:12 – My Argument: Homosexuality Doesn’t Cause Harm
7:30 – Minh’s Claim: Morality Needs God
12:42 – Can You Prove Gay Relationships Are Good?
19:05 – “The Slavery Analogy” – Minh’s First Counter
24:40 – The Burden of Proof Debate
30:18 – Minh’s Argument #1: Bisexuality is Morally Preferable
40:11 – I Respond: Love Isn’t a Math Problem
47:50 – Minh’s Argument #2: Empty Pleasure & Gay Sex
59:15 – Can Gay Love Be Romantic Without Reproduction?
1:05:22 – Ice Cream, Moms, and Lesbian Dates
1:12:10 – Consent, Sex, and Society’s Role
1:18:44 – Closing Thoughts & Where to Find Minh

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