The Thinking Practitioner

By Til Luchau & Whitney LoweAlternative Health Health & Fitness Education Courses

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February 07, 2024111. How Bodyworkers Can Explain Pain (with Lorimer Moseley)
🎙️Twelve years ago, Lorimer Moseley’s TEDx talk “Why Things Hurt” helped to catalyze profound changes in how pain is conceptualized, in our field and in many others. If we think about pain as protection, rather than as damage, it changes how we explain the improvements we see in hands-on work. Professor Moseley joins Til and Whitney to update us on his thinking, and to offer bodyworks and massage therapists practical advice on working with our clients with pain.🔍🗣️👥🔊
Watch the video and get the full transcript of their conversation on Til or Whitney's sites:
Til Luchau’s Advanced-Trainings.com
Whitney Lowe’s Academy of Clinical Massage

Key Points in the Podcast
Introduction to The Thinking Practitioner Podcast (0:00)
Sponsorship by Books of Discovery (1:30)
Introduction of Lorimer Moseley (3:00)
Lorimer Moseley's TEDx talk and its impact (6:00)
Description of pain to those experiencing chronic pain (9:00)
Historical context of pain education (13:00)
Three historical phases of pain education evolution: (15:30)
ancient pain education,
old school pain education, and
current pain science education
Four essential pain facts: (19:30)
pain protects us and promotes healing,
persistent pain is also a protective function,
many factors can influence pain, and
therefore, there are many ways to reduce pain and recover.
Challenges of explaining complex concepts in a short period of time (26:00)
Importance of validation and empathy in pain education (30:30)
Role of optimism and encouragement in pain education (34:30)
Lorimer Moseley's upcoming courses in North America (39:00)
Sponsorship by ABMP (42:00)
Closing remarks and contact information (43:30)
Resources:
“Why Things Hurt” TEDx talk
Pain Matters podcast
Lorimer Moseley’s North American tour: noigroup.com
Lorimer Moseley’s charity: painrevolution.org
Sponsor Offers:
Books of Discovery: save 15% by entering "thinking" at checkout at booksofdiscovery.com.
ABMP: save $24 on new membership at abmp.com/thinking.
Advanced-Trainings: try a month of the amazing A-T Subscription free by entering “thinking” at checkout at a-t.tv/subscriptions/.
Academy of Clinical Massage: Grab Whitney's valuable Assessment Cheat Sheet for free at:
academyofclinicalmassage.comcheatsheet

About Whitney Lowe | About Til Luchau | Email Us: [email protected]
(The Thinking Practitioner Podcast is intended for professional practitioners of manual and movement therapies: bodywork, massage therapy, structural integration, chiropractic, myofascial and myotherapy, orthopedic, sports massage, physical therapy, osteopathy, yoga, strength and conditioning, and similar professions. It is not medical or treatment advice.)
54 min
January 24, 2024110: Hands-On the Nerves (with Gil Hedley)
🎙️ Anatomist extraordinaire Gil Hedley stops by to talk with Til and Whitney about nerves, dissection, bodywork, and what hands-on therapists can learn from his most recent project, the Nerve Tour. 🔍🗣️👥🔊
Watch the video and get the full transcript of their conversation on Til or Whitney's sites:
Til Luchau’s Advanced-Trainings.com
Whitney Lowe’s Academy of Clinical Massage
Topics:
0:00 - Introduction to The Thinking Practitioner Podcast
0:30 - Introduction of hosts Whitney Lowe and Til Luchau and sponsor ABMP
1:57 - Introduction of guest Gil Hedley and discussion of his nerve tour
7:00 - Gil Hedley's background and introduction to integral anatomy
12:00 - The importance of understanding the nervous system in manual therapy
16:00 - The unique aspects of dissecting nerve tissues
20:00 - The impact of nerve tissues on texture and pain in the body
24:00 - The importance of the state of the practitioner when working with nerve tissues
28:00 - The personal connection to the donors in Gil Hedley's projects
34:00 - The future of Gil Hedley's nerve project and availability of the content
38:00 - Gil Hedley's upcoming tour schedule and accessibility of his content
43:00 - Conclusion and thanks to sponsor Books of Discovery
45:00 - Closing remarks and contact information for hosts and guest Whitney Lowe
Resources:
Gil Hedley's site
Gil Hedley's Youtube channel
Sponsor Offers:
Books of Discovery: save 15% by entering "thinking" at checkout at booksofdiscovery.com.
ABMP: save $24 on new membership at abmp.com/thinking.
Advanced-Trainings: try a month of the amazing A-T Subscription free by entering “thinking” at checkout at a-t.tv/subscriptions/.
About Whitney Lowe | About Til Luchau | Email Us: [email protected]
(The Thinking Practitioner Podcast is intended for professional practitioners of manual and movement therapies: bodywork, massage therapy, structural integration, chiropractic, myofascial and myotherapy, orthopedic, sports massage, physical therapy, osteopathy, yoga, strength and conditioning, and similar professions. It is not medical or treatment advice.)
55 min
January 10, 2024109: Season 4 Highlights: Insights and Legacies
🎙️ Join us as we revisit the key moments of The Thinking Practitioner’s fourth season. This year, our esteemed guests shared both the latest research, and historical insights into the legacies that continue to shape our field. A heartfelt thanks to our amazing guests, sponsors, and to you, our audience—your support continues to drive the Thinking Practitioner community. Subscribe now for a condensed dose of practical wisdom and discerning reflection. 🔍🗣️👥🔊
Watch the video and get the full transcript of their conversation on Til or Whitney's sites:
Til Luchau’s Advanced-Trainings.com
Whitney Lowe’s Academy of Clinical Massage
Resources:
Whitney & Til’s Season 4 Favorites:
84: Working with Veterans (with Nicole Miller)
87: Shared Decision Making (with Walt Fritz)
92: The Art of a Good Question (with Whitney Lowe & Til Luchau)
96: Curious Souls (with Aaron Alexander & Sue Hitzmann)
97: Back At It: Back Pain Revisited (with Stuart McGill)
99: Wait, What? Fascial Stiffness & Pain (with Robert Schleip)
103: Where the Profession Is Now (with Les Sweeney)
108: Trauma & Bodywork (with Peter Levine)
Your favorites (top downloads of all time):
69: Back Pain, Stiffness & Fascia (with Stuart McGill)
79: Hypermobile Ehlers-Danlos (with Tina Wang)
71: Fascia & Pain: What We Know (with Helene Langevin)
56: Working with Rib Issues (with Til Luchau & Whitney Lowe)
70: Stretching: Would Everyone Just Relax? (with Jules Mitchell)
Sponsor Offers:
Books of Discovery: save 15% by entering "thinking" at checkout at booksofdiscovery.com.
ABMP: save $24 on new membership at abmp.com/thinking.
Advanced-Trainings: try a month of the amazing A-T Subscription free by entering “thinking” at checkout at a-t.tv/subscriptions/.
About Whitney Lowe | About Til Luchau | Email Us: [email protected]
(The Thinking Practitioner Podcast is intended for professional practitioners of manual and movement therapies: bodywork, massage therapy, structural integration, chiropractic, myofascial and myotherapy, orthopedic, sports massage, physical therapy, osteopathy, yoga, strength and conditioning, and similar professions. It is not medical or treatment advice.)
37 min
December 27, 2023108: Trauma & Bodywork (with Peter Levine)
Legendary trauma pioneer Peter Levine PhD talks with Til Luchau about how bodyworkers might recognize trauma, and, how can they be most helpful with its effects. Along the way, Dr Levine reflects on topics such as his own training with Ida Rolf (the originator of Rolfing® Structural Integration), scope of practice considerations for bodyworkers, self-care and much more.
Watch the video and get the full transcript of their conversation on Til or Whitney's sites:
Til Luchau’s Advanced-Trainings.com
Whitney Lowe’s Academy of Clinical Massage
Topics:
- Introduction to The Thinking Practitioner Podcast (0:00)
- Sponsorship by ABMP (1:20)
- Sponsorship by Advanced Trainings (2:40)
- Introduction of Dr. Peter Levine (3:30)
- Dr. Levine's background and work in somatic experiencing (4:30)
- The role of the nervous system in trauma (7:00)
- The importance of the vagus nerve in trauma response (9:30)
- The difference between healed and unhealed trauma (13:00)
- How bodyworkers can recognize and address trauma in their clients (15:30)
- The importance of creating safety and connection in the therapeutic relationship (19:00)
- The role of bodyworkers in addressing trauma (22:00)
- The importance of self-care for healthcare professionals working with trauma (26:00)
- The role of ritual and ceremony in healing trauma (30:00)
- The impact of trauma on the world and the importance of addressing it (35:00)
- Resources for learning more about trauma and somatic experiencing (38:00)
- Closing remarks and sponsorships (40:00)
Resources:
Til's Facebook post: If you could ask Peter Levine anything...
Peter Levine's Somatic Experiencing® site
Preorder Peter Levine's upcoming An Autobiography of Trauma: A Healing Journey
Sponsor Offers:
Books of Discovery: save 15% by entering "thinking" at checkout at booksofdiscovery.com.
ABMP: save $24 on new membership at abmp.com/thinking.
Advanced-Trainings: try a month of the amazing A-T Subscription free by entering “thinking” at checkout at a-t.tv/subscriptions/.
About Whitney Lowe | About Til Luchau | Email Us: [email protected]
(The Thinking Practitioner Podcast is intended for professional practitioners of manual and movement therapies: bodywork, massage therapy, structural integration, chiropractic, myofascial and myotherapy, orthopedic, sports massage, physical therapy, osteopathy, yoga, strength and conditioning, and similar professions. It is not medical or treatment advice.)
41 min
December 13, 2023107: Knee Deep: Understanding Baker’s Cysts (with Whitney Lowe & Til Luchau)
Baker's cysts, the most common cyst behind the knee, affect about 20% of all people. When painful, they can limit mobility and impact quality of life. In this episode, Til interviews Whitney about what Baker’s cysts are, what we as hands-on therapists can do about them, and how we can broaden the lens about the benefits of our work.
Watch the video and get the full transcript of their conversation on Til or Whitney's sites:
Til Luchau’s Advanced-Trainings.com
Whitney Lowe’s Academy of Clinical Massage
Resources:
Nanduri A, Stead TS, Kupsaw GE, Deleon J, Ganti L. Baker ’ s Cyst Case Presentation. 2021;13(12). doi:10.7759/cureus.20403
Burger C. Baker’s cyst. Chirurg. 1999;70(5):611-612. doi:10.1016/s2255-4971(15)30317-7
Afandiyeva MA, Janbachishov QS. Baker’s cyst. Azerbaijan Med J. 2004;7(1):125-127. doi:10.1177/1941738113520130
Sponsor Offers:
Books of Discovery: save 15% by entering "thinking" at checkout at booksofdiscovery.com.
ABMP: save $24 on new membership at abmp.com/thinking.
Advanced-Trainings: try a month of the amazing A-T Subscription free by entering “thinking” at checkout at a-t.tv/subscriptions/.
About Whitney Lowe | About Til Luchau | Email Us: [email protected]
(The Thinking Practitioner Podcast is intended for professional practitioners of manual and movement therapies: bodywork, massage therapy, structural integration, chiropractic, myofascial and myotherapy, orthopedic, sports massage, physical therapy, osteopathy, yoga, strength and conditioning, and similar professions. It is not medical or treatment advice.)
41 min
November 29, 2023106: The Massage Therapy Foundation (with Adrienne Asta)
The Massage Therapy Foundation is a crucial organization for the growth and development of our profession. In this episode, Whitney talks with Adrienne Asta, current president of the Foundation. In this episode, they discuss:
What are the different programs the Foundation runs?
What is the role of the Foundation in our profession?
Why is research important for practitioners?
How can people get involved with the Foundation?
...much more
Watch the video and get the full transcript of their conversation on Til or Whitney's sites:
Til Luchau’s Advanced-Trainings.com
Whitney Lowe’s Academy of Clinical Massage
Resources:
Massage Therapy Foundation
International Journal of Therapeutic Massage & Bodywork
Massage Therapy Research Network
Sponsor Offers:
Books of Discovery: save 15% by entering "thinking" at checkout at booksofdiscovery.com.
ABMP: save $24 on new membership at abmp.com/thinking.
Advanced-Trainings: try a month of the amazing A-T Subscription free by entering “thinking” at checkout at a-t.tv/subscriptions/.
About Whitney Lowe | About Til Luchau | Email Us: [email protected]

(The Thinking Practitioner Podcast is intended for professional practitioners of manual and movement therapies: bodywork, massage therapy, structural integration, chiropractic, myofascial and myotherapy, orthopedic, sports massage, physical therapy, osteopathy, yoga, strength and conditioning, and similar professions. It is not medical or treatment advice.)
50 min
November 15, 2023105: Chronic Cough: the Prequel (with Walt Fritz and Ruth Werner)
Til Luchau and Ruth Werner talk with Walt Fritz PT, as they prepare for some hands-on work with Ruth's chronic cough. Listen in as these three powerhouse presenters discuss hands-on strategy, potential triggers, and psychosocial impacts related to chronic coughs. Ruth shares her personal experiences, emphasizing the challenges and similarities with chronic pain. Their stimulating conversation then delves into the broader implications of treating the whole person rather than just the symptoms, offering unique perspectives on the intersection of manual therapy, anatomical specificity, and the human experience.

(This conversation was the run-up to Ruth and Til's "Chronic Symptoms" interview at ABMP, which was featured in Thinking Practitioner Ep. 100)
Watch the video and get the full transcript of their conversation on Til or Whitney's sites:
Til Luchau’s Advanced-Trainings.com
Whitney Lowe’s Academy of Clinical Massage
Resources:
Walt Fritz's site
Ruth Werner's site
Sponsor Offers:
Books of Discovery: save 15% by entering "thinking" at checkout at booksofdiscovery.com.
ABMP: save $24 on new membership at abmp.com/thinking.
Advanced-Trainings: try a month of the amazing A-T Subscription free by entering “thinking” at checkout at a-t.tv/subscriptions/.
About Whitney Lowe | About Til Luchau | Email Us: [email protected]
(The Thinking Practitioner Podcast is intended for professional practitioners of manual and movement therapies: bodywork, massage therapy, structural integration, chiropractic, myofascial and myotherapy, orthopedic, sports massage, physical therapy, osteopathy, yoga, strength and conditioning, and similar professions. It is not medical or treatment advice.)
38 min
November 01, 2023104: The Many (Cervical) Facets of Neck Pain (with Til Luchau & Whitney Lowe)
The neck's facet joints (or the harder-to-to pronounce and remember "zygapophyseal joints") are the primary articulations involved in cervical movement. They are commonly thought to be involved in a range of painful cervical conditions. What do manual and massage therapists need to know? What are some helpful ways to think about and work with these joints? Whitney and Til think it through, and touch on topics such as:
Does or doesn't head-forward posture cause pain?
What about text-neck?
A self-assessment, and,
A hands-on technique for working with the cervical facets.
...much more
Watch the video and get the full transcript of their conversation on Til or Whitney's sites:
Til Luchau’s Advanced-Trainings.com
Whitney Lowe’s Academy of Clinical Massage
Resources:
Check out Til's upcoming AMT: Neck Jaw & Head Masterclass in Puerto Rico.
This episode's image was kindly provided by Anatomy Standard.
Sponsor Offers:
Books of Discovery: save 15% by entering "thinking" at checkout at booksofdiscovery.com.
ABMP: save $24 on new membership at abmp.com/thinking.
Advanced-Trainings: try a month of the amazing A-T Subscription free by entering “thinking” at checkout at a-t.tv/subscriptions/.
About Whitney Lowe | About Til Luchau | Email Us: [email protected]
(The Thinking Practitioner Podcast is intended for professional practitioners of manual and movement therapies: bodywork, massage therapy, structural integration, chiropractic, myofascial and myotherapy, orthopedic, sports massage, physical therapy, osteopathy, yoga, strength and conditioning, and similar professions. It is not medical or treatment advice.)
40 min
October 18, 2023103: Where the Profession Is Now (with Les Sweeney)
ABMP (the largest professional organization of massage therapists and bodyworkers in the USA) has just published the results of their regular survey of massage education programs, and it reveals some very interesting trends. Whitney discusses these and their implications with Les Sweeney, the CEO of the Professional Assist Corporation and President of the ABMP (Associated Bodywork and Massage Professionals). Topics include:
How employment trends are changing in the field
How are schools doing in preparing students for the diversity in our field
What may be coming down the road for professional training in the future
...much more
Watch the video and get the full transcript of their conversation on Til or Whitney's sites:
Til Luchau’s Advanced-Trainings.com
Whitney Lowe’s Academy of Clinical Massage
Resources:
About ABMP's schools survey
ABMP's site
Sponsor Offers:
Books of Discovery: save 15% by entering "thinking" at checkout at booksofdiscovery.com.
ABMP: save $24 on new membership at abmp.com/thinking.
Advanced-Trainings: try a month of the amazing A-T Subscription free by entering “thinking” at checkout at a-t.tv/subscriptions/.
About Whitney Lowe | About Til Luchau | Email Us: [email protected]
(The Thinking Practitioner Podcast is intended for professional practitioners of manual and movement therapies: bodywork, massage therapy, structural integration, chiropractic, myofascial and myotherapy, orthopedic, sports massage, physical therapy, osteopathy, yoga, strength and conditioning, and similar professions. It is not medical or treatment advice.)
57 min
October 04, 2023102: Lessons Learned (with Susan Salvo)
Susan Salvo has been a key contributor to the advancement of the massage therapy profession in the U.S. and abroad. She has been a school owner, practitioner, author, researcher, educator, and legal expert witness. In this episode, we talk about many of these different paths she has traversed and some of the important lessons learned. We cover these key points
What brought her to the world of textbook authoring
How her graduate work in education has influenced her thinking
Some of the challenges faced by expert witness cases in massage therapy
The importance of finding and working with a mentor
...much more
Watch the video and get the full transcript of their conversation on Til or Whitney's sites:
Til Luchau’s Advanced-Trainings.com
Whitney Lowe’s Academy of Clinical Massage
Resources:
Susan' Blog : https://massagepassport.wordpress.com/
Susan's website: http://www.massagepassport.com/
Sponsor Offers:
Books of Discovery: save 15% by entering "thinking" at checkout at booksofdiscovery.com.
ABMP: save $24 on new membership at abmp.com/thinking.
Advanced-Trainings: try a month of the amazing A-T Subscription free by entering “thinking” at checkout at a-t.tv/subscriptions/.
About Whitney Lowe | About Til Luchau | Email Us: [email protected]
(The Thinking Practitioner Podcast is intended for professional practitioners of manual and movement therapies: bodywork, massage therapy, structural integration, chiropractic, myofascial and myotherapy, orthopedic, sports massage, physical therapy, osteopathy, yoga, strength and conditioning, and similar professions. It is not medical or treatment advice.)
56 min

About The Thinking Practitioner

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For the practitioner who’s never stopped being curious. Til Luchau and Whitney Lowe bring together leading researchers, master clinicians, and big questions from across bodywork, massage, and manual therapy — exploring not just what we do with our hands, but why it works and how to do it better. Smart, grounded, and genuinely useful conversations for the somatic arts and sciences.