Today’s Pathfinder episode features Leon Alkalai, former Technical Fellow of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) and now the founder of Mandala Space Ventures. Having spent 32 years at JPL, we dive into his leadership roles for the GRAIL mission in 2007, which mapped the Moon's gravitational field and the Insight Lander in 2012, a first of its kind mission aimed at exploring Mars' deep interior. Leon now runs Mandala, a combination of space venture studio meets venture fund. 

In addition to all this, Mo and Leon discuss: 

• The history of NASA JPL 
• Commercializing JPL technologies 
• The venture studio approach to space 

And much more… 

This episode is brought to you by SpiderOak, a US-based software company that builds space cybersecurity products and solutions for civilian, military, and commercial space operations. Learn more at https://spideroak.com/ 

• Chapters • 

00:00 - Intro & SpiderOak 

01:20 - Leon's PhD 

01:49 - How did Leon end up at JPL 

04:08 - Freshly minted PhD. What's next? 

07:55 - JPL & NASA 

11:51 - Missions at JPL Leon is most proud of 

17:34 - Recovering the gravity of the Moon 

21:39 - SpiderOak Ad 

27:52 - Mandala Space Ventures 

32:08 - The venture studio model 

35:15 - Most value added to businesses 

37:13 - How to view the industry 

39:48 - What you look for in a company and what are some red flags? 

41:21 - How does Leon build a team 

43:59 - Technology that excites Leon 

48:42 - A Starship future 

• Show notes • 

Mandala's website — https://mandalaspaceventures.com/

Leon's socials — https://twitter.com/DrLeonAlkalai 

Mo's socials — https://twitter.com/itsmoislam 

Payload’s socials — https://twitter.com/payloadspace / https://www.linkedin.com/company/payloadspace 

Pathfinder archive — Watch: https://www.youtube.com/@payloadspace Pathfinder archive — Listen: https://pod.payloadspace.com/episodes 

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