The Vergecast

Developer conference season is almost over, but we've got one show left to see: Apple's WWDC begins on Monday. Nilay, David, and Joanna Stern spend time going through both what they expect to see at the show, and why this year's WWDC might feel a bit different than in years past. Apple is in a tricky place with regulators, developers, and users alike, and has some genuine explaining to do. After that, they talk about the launch of the Nintendo Switch 2, and David's surprisingly easy adventure to acquire one. We also have a bit of smart glasses and AI gadgets news to discuss, so we do that too. Then it's time for Brendan Carr is a Dummy, and an update on a couple of the interesting new fediverse projects launching this week.

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We've talked many times on The Vergecast about the dream of the perfect charger. We call it The God Cable, and imagine it would charge everything, at full optimized speed, no matter what you plug in. Well, one company tried to make it – sort of. TwelveSouth founder Andrew Green joins the show to talk about how his company developed its newest product, the PowerCord, and why actually the God Cable might be both impossible and a bad idea. After that, The Verge's Tina Nguyen joins the show to talk about her experience at Bitcoin 2025 in Las Vegas, the rise of $TRUMP, and how crypto and the government became so intertwined. Finally, we answer a question from the Vergecast Hotline about AI agents, and the tasks we should (and shouldn't) offload to our chatbots.

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It's a slowish news week ahead of some very busy news weeks, so of course Nilay and David start the show with a long discussion about party speakers. Eventually, they get into the news, beginning with some of the huge Apple redesigns planned for WWDC in June. For the first time in a long time, the stakes for Apple's software teams feel really high. After that, the hosts talk about Nilay's recent interview with Google CEO Sundar Pichai, and what the AI-ification of everything means for the future of the web. Finally, in the lightning round, it's time for another Brendan Carr is a Dummy, plus some talk about the Nintendo Switch 2, a bit of confusing tariff news, and more.

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After more than a month of testimony, the Meta antirust trial is beginning to slow down. The Google search remedies trial, meanwhile, is about to heat up again, with closing arguments coming soon. The Verge’s Lauren Feiner has been in the DC courthouse for all of it, and has finally emerged to tell us about what she’s seen, and learned, from two all-important monopoly trials. After that, The Verge’s Victoria Song tells us about her latest experience with Google’s smart glasses prototypes, what Google is doing differently from Meta and Apple, and what she thinks Jony Ive and OpenAI might be building. Finally, we answer a question on the Vergecast Hotline about what to do now that Mozilla is shutting down Pocket.

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Bad news if you don't care about AI: this week was absolutely chock-full of AI news. First, Nilay, David, and The Verge's Alex Heath talk about the news that OpenAI and Jony Ive are teaming up to build... something. A gadget, for sure, maybe lots of gadgets. We don't know much, but we have a lot of thoughts, and a lot of questions. After that, the hosts talk through all the news at Google I/O, including what's new with Gemini, Google Search, Project Astra, Project Mariner, and the countless other ways Google is putting AI absolutely everywhere. Finally, in the lightning round, we buckle up for another round of Brendan Carr is a Dummy, talk through some late-breaking Apple gadget news, and marvel over the future of conference calls.

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Kids these days, you know? They love the '90s, they want everything to be colorful and bold and bouncy, and they really, truly love Snapchat. And the tech world is listening. On this episode, The Verge's Allison Johnson joins to talk about her review of the new Razr Ultra, the new-look Android 16, and why she thinks we're getting ever closer to a true flip phone resurgence. (Also: why we're not quite there yet.) After that, The Verge's Alex Heath explains what's going on with Snapchat, and how it's possible that the app is more popular than ever but still can't figure out how to cash in. It all makes us wonder: is there a business in chat at all? Finally, we answer a question on the Vergecast Hotline (call 866-VERGE11 or email [email protected]!) about a possible outcome for Chrome after the Google search trial ends.

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Names are hard — but they don't have to be this hard. Nilay, David, and The Verge's Jake Kastrenakes start the show with some personal news, before digging into the monumentally silly thinking behind Warner Bros. Discovery re-re-naming its streaming service HBO Max. After that, and some more streaming news, we turn our attention to the gadget news of the week, including the long-awaited release of CarPlay Ultra and the latest announcements from the Android team at Google. Finally, in the lightning round, it's time for Brendan Carr is a Dummy, some debate on the future of Airbnb, and a brief party speaker update. Because the mystery continues.

Further reading:

It’s not Max, it’s HBO Max 

Max was an all-time bad rebrand

How HBO’s creatives survived corporate chaos

ESPN’s standalone streaming app launches this fall for $30 a month 

Fox One streaming service will arrive just in time for football season 

Netflix’s ad tier is growing really fast — and that means more ads

Netflix is bringing back Star Search as a live show

YouTube will stream an opening week NFL game for free 

Peacock’s NBA coverage will add an overlay with live shot stats 

Apple’s CarPlay Ultra is finally here, if you have a new Aston Martin

Apple’s fancy new CarPlay will only work wirelessly

Android 16 Material Three Expressive UI coming in beta this month 

Google’s splashy new Android UI is coming in beta this month. 

It’s Dieter!

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The Verge's Will Poor recently came home from vacation and discovered he had an insect problem. More specifically, his Sonos speaker had an insect problem. Will brings us the story of what really happened there, and what he discovered about how the animal kingdom — and the electronics world — works. After that, The Verge's Andru Marino tells us about his research on all things AI podcasts. He tells us why people are so hooked on NotebookLM's Audio Overviews, where these generated shows fall short, and what all us human podcasters could learn from the bots. Finally, The Verge's Jennifer Pattison Tuohy helps us answer a question on the Vergecast Hotline (call 866-VERGE11 or email [email protected]!) all about smart lights. Which get complicated faster than you think.

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Where will Meta, Apple, and Google be three years from now? It's starting to look like they might all be very different. Nilay, David, and The Verge's Richard Lawler start the show with Eddy Cue's testimony in the Google search trial, in which Cue argued that AI is taking over — and that Google should be allowed to keep paying Apple gobs of money. The hosts also chat about the latest in the Meta trials, and how the recent Apple ruling is already changing the App Store. Then, there are some gadgets to talk about: the panopticon-slash-killer-app coming for Meta's smart glasses, the new Surface Pro and Surface Laptop, and a lot of new iPhones. In the lightning round, we do another round of Brendan Carr is a Dummy, then talk about some new Netflix designs and the latest in our worldwide hunt for party speakers.

Further reading:

Eddy Cue is fighting to save Apple’s $20 billion paycheck from Google

Apple’s Eddy Cue: ‘You may not need an iPhone 10 years from now’

Google searches are falling in Safari for the first time ever — probably because of AI

Google's statement about Search traffic

Apple is looking at adding Perplexity and other AI search engines to Safari

Amazon now has a ‘Get book’ button in its iOS Kindle app

Epic will use an EU account to bring Fortnite back to the US App Store

Patreon’s iOS update allows creators to bypass in-app purchases

Apple is trying to halt the App Store ruling.

Apple files appeal to wrest back control of its App Store

A new bill would force Apple to allow third-party app stores
DOJ’s proposed Google changes would ‘deeply undermine user trust,’ search chief says

Firefox could be doomed without Google search deal, says executive

DOJ asks court to split up Google’s ad tech empire

Threads was originally going to live inside the Instagram app | The Verge

Instagram doesn’t want to be a ‘lean-back experience.’ | The Verge

‘TikTok is probably the fiercest competition that we have faced.’ | The Verge

Instagram has spent up to $700 million in a year to lure creators.

Mosseri calls the first version of Reels his ‘biggest mistake.’ | The Verge

Meta’s new AI glasses could have a ‘super-sensing’ mode with facial recognition

Apple is planning smart glasses with and without AR

Apple ‘iPhone Air’ rumor suggests a bigger screen coming in 2027

Apple may stagger next year’s iPhones to make way for a foldable

Microsoft’s smaller Surface Pro has a 12-inch display and starts at $799

Microsoft shrinks its Surface Laptop down to 13 inches, priced at $899

Microsoft’s new Surface devices ditch magnetic charging port for USB-C

How Microsoft shrunk its Surface devices

Policing News, Policing DEI: The FCC’s Shifting Priorities Erode Its Credibility

OpenAI abandons plan to become a for-profit company

Netflix is getting a big TV revamp

Netflix will try a TikTok-like feed on its mobile app

I put four robot lawnmowers through a brutal backyard battle

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The Verge’s Victoria Song joins the show to talk about a new genre of gadget, which both she and David have been testing a lot: the AI-powered, always-on voice recorder. Vee shares what she’s learned from devices like Bee, and why it’s going to be so hard for AI to figure out what really matters in our lives. After that, The Verge’s Nathan Edwards and keyboard maker Ryan Norbauer tell the story of the Seneca, a $3,600 keyboard that Norbauer built to his own incredibly exacting specifications. They tell David about what it really takes to make a great keyboard, and why making one is worth the effort. Finally, in the lightning round (call 866-VERGE11 or email [email protected]!), we answer a couple of questions about the future of Chrome.

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