How many items are on your to-do list? And do you ever manage to tick everything off? There could be one major reason for that...

Author and productivity expert Oliver Burkeman believes that systems, not goals, are more achievable for the average person. He joins Deb to explain how reframing your goals could have you getting more done.

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Host: Deborah Ho

With thanks to Oliver Burkeman

Producer: Emmeline Peterson

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