Our world doesn't need more leaders chasing power - it needs people rooted in what they love. This TIMELESS with Mac Macartney calls us back to integrity, to humility, to the sacred responsibility of shaping a future that serves all life.

Mac Macartney brings us into a fresh understanding of leadership - one that is relational and begins with listening across differences. True leadership, as he conveys, is the quiet confidence that comes from following what matters most, not from needing to be followed. It is not something to postpone until we are fully formed; it is the art of showing up - imperfect and evolving.

Through his stories, we are invited to lead with courage and care - to recognize our innate gifts, take responsibility for what we love, and stand for what is sacred and worth protecting. The conversation touches on how rarely we ask these questions of our young, even though discovering what is truly sacred may be the most vital education of all.

If you've ever doubted your place as a leader, this one's for you. We hope that this inspires you to live from that place in this world of who you truly are.

We recommend that you go and listen later to the whole of E61 here.

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