Back in 2015, journalist Gemma Hartley wrote an article for Harper’s Bazaar that went viral. The article was about emotional labor & it really hit home for so many people - in fact 2 BILLION people read it. It led to Gemma writing a book on the topic & coming up with some real solutions to this incredibly familiar experience. Gemma is the author of Fed Up; Navigating & Redefining Emotional Labour For Good.

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00:00:00 - Intro

00:00:55 - The Mother’s Day that led Gemma to write the book

00:03:30 - What is emotional labor?

00:06:35 - Society assumes women are the default parent 

00:08:00 - The mindset of ‘helping out’ 

00:10:40 - What happened when Gemma’s husband became the full time at home parent

00:12:30 - The response to ‘stop being such a control freak’

00:15:00 - Setting shared standards

00:19:00 - Emotional labor for men in the dating period

00:21:12 - Why Gemma no longer asks for ‘help’ at home

00:25:11 - How to explain the problem without it becoming a fight

00:30:18 - Why taking on the emotional labor can make partners’ lives richer

00:33:15 - Having the expectation that this is going to require more than a single conversation

00:36:16 - Taking on the emotional labor of addressing emotional labor (!!)

00:40:30 - It’s okay to leave if someone isn’t meeting you where you are