Airbnb spent ten years swearing it would never be another OTA. It just started buying its experiences from Viator.

For twenty years the industry has argued about whether anybody can build a real marketplace for experiences. Mitch Bach and Pete Syme think the Airbnb deal settles it. The companies with the deepest pockets have looked at the category, done the arithmetic, and decided to rent someone else's supply rather than build their own. The ones still committed to building are running on economics that get worse every year, even while the market underneath them grows. None of that stays inside the marketplaces. A business under margin pressure has only so many places to find money, and the commission operators pay is the one that moves the dial.

Pete's answer for operators is not a new tactic, and he says so plainly. What has changed is the price of ignoring the old ones. Discovery sits underneath every other question an operator has, and more money flowing into the platforms meant to solve it has made it harder, not easier. His argument is that operators keep chasing discovery where it costs the most to win while walking past the customers already sitting in their own city, the corporates and schools and universities that book fifteen times instead of once. Mitch pushes on what that leaves for anyone running a general tour for a general audience. They land in the same place: the only bagel tour in New York gets found, and the two hundredth walking tour in Madrid does not.

Resources:

• Peter Syme on LinkedIn, where he posts his breakdowns of the Viator and GetYourGuide numbers
• Tourpreneur business retreats in Porto
• Tourpreneur CONNECT

Mid-America Productions builds five-day tours around one thing: getting a choir on stage at Carnegie Hall.

James Redcay and Stephanie Tiboris run Mid-America Productions, a company that takes amateur choirs, church groups, university ensembles, community singers, on tour to perform at major concert halls: Carnegie Hall, Paris's La Madeleine, and venues in Vienna, Stockholm, and soon Reykjavik. Each residency runs about five days, split roughly in half between rehearsal and free time. Hotels and sightseeing are handed off to local partners and travel agents rather than run in-house, because James says the company sticks to what it knows: producing the performance itself.

For operators, the transferable move isn't about music. It's about identifying the one thing a trip has to deliver, then building everything else, pacing, free time, what gets outsourced versus kept in-house, around protecting that centerpiece instead of spreading attention evenly across a checklist of activities. James and Stephanie talk through what that discipline produces: choirs return decades later, first-time travelers get their first passport through the company, and revenue has grown every year since the pandemic on repeat and referral business rather than new-customer acquisition. They also cover what it took to keep that formula intact after founder Peter Tiboris passed away in September 2024.

Resources:

• Website: midamerica-music.com

Two five-day retreats in Porto and a conversation-first event in Louisville, and none of the three have a keynote on the agenda.

Tourpreneur is running two five-day retreats in Porto, October 21 to 25, in parallel. One is a growth-strategy retreat led by Peter Syme, split into outbound and inbound tracks. The other is a design retreat led by Kyle Campbell and Mitch Bach. Both cap at ten operators and cost $1,499 for PRO members or $1,799 for everyone else, including a year of PRO membership.

Tourpreneur CONNECT runs November 16 to 18 in Louisville. It's built around conversation instead of keynotes or breakout sessions, with attendees moving between hosted tables rather than sitting through a fixed schedule. Tickets run $199 for PRO members and $299 for everyone else.

Resources:

• Multi-Day Huddle: tourpreneur.com/retreats/porto-multiday-2026
• Design Huddle: tourpreneur.com/retreats/porto-design-2026
• Tourpreneur CONNECT: tourpreneur.com/connect

Tour operators are told locals won't buy tickets to see their own city. They're usually right. Jeanette Pierce built a twenty-year business by selling the tour to someone else instead: the employer, the university, the city government that already has that local on a list. The product isn't sightseeing. It's attraction and retention.

Jeanette Pierce is the founder of Detroit's The City Institute, formerly Inside Detroit, which she launched in January 2006 after leaving a job at United Way, frustrated that outsiders were the only ones talking publicly about her city. Detroit was still years away from bankruptcy when she started and deep in it a few years later, and City Institute grew through that entire arc, not around a single moment of good press. Mitch and Jeanette break down how she built the business almost entirely on private, custom "learning journeys" sold to corporations, universities, and local governments, rather than tickets sold to the public.

Jeanette explains her "peanut" method for customizing a single tour into dozens of different themes for different institutional clients, why she deliberately kept her team small after burning out at eight full-time staff and forty part-time, and how she chooses which community partners to feature and pays them for their time. She also lays out why locals discover tours through Eventbrite and HR departments instead of TripAdvisor, and how City Institute turns university orientation and corporate onboarding into recurring annual revenue. This is a full playbook for selling to a market everyone else assumes doesn't exist.

Resources:

• thecityinstitute.com

New Scientist Discovery Tours runs 100 tours with a team of four, works with six operator partners worldwide, and has guests putting deposits down on a solar eclipse in Australia in 2028. The entire operation is built around one idea: go to the same places as everyone else, but tell a story nobody else is telling.

Kevin Currie, Director of New Scientist Discovery Tours, joined the company in 2019 to build what three journalists had started off the side of their desks. The pitch was simple: curate an itinerary around a science story, not a destination, and put an expert on the tour who can actually tell it. Kevin spent months in due diligence before signing on, looking at guest feedback, partner relationships, and industry data. Experiential travel was growing at 19% annually, roughly double the rate of standard travel. He built a business case, launched 20 tours, sold most of them out, and then lost everything to the pandemic. New Scientist kept him. He's been building since 2022 with a team of four.

The episode covers how New Scientist structures tour development from the inside of a media company, what Kevin looks for when he chooses scientists to accompany tours, and how the team manages a supply chain of partner operators, DMCs, and tour leaders without becoming a tour operator themselves. Kevin explains why they work with only six partners and why the pre-departure briefing between the expert and the tour leader is one of the most important things they do. He describes the 4.6-kilometer walk in the Brecon Beacons where every hundred meters represents 100 million years of Earth's history, and the moment a guest looks up and realizes the last 20 centimeters represent all of human existence. The episode is also a case study in how a niche operator competes not by being cheaper, but by doing the thing competitors literally cannot copy: getting the science right.

Elyrea sells a kind of tour no traveler would think to search for, and Jean-Vladimir Deniau built the whole company around that fact.

Jean-Vladimir Deniau is the founder of Elyrea, a French company that builds character-based immersive performances for the tourism market. The format is specific: a professional actor embodies a historical figure, Coco Chanel near Place Vendôme, Hemingway around Montparnasse, a GI on Omaha Beach, and walks a small group through that figure's neighborhood telling the story of their life. Deniau does not call himself a tour operator. He calls Elyrea a "Lego brick" that DMCs and tour operators build into the experiences they sell. The company has 15 of these performances running, almost all in France, and there is a structural problem at the center of it: nobody knows to ask for a tour with Coco Chanel, so the business cannot wait for B2C search demand. That one fact shapes how Elyrea picks its characters, how it sells, and how it funds itself.

Mitch and Deniau cover the business behind the tours. Why Elyrea sells to the trade first and keeps its strongest tours off OTAs entirely. The capital-light model that built 15 tours with no outside investor. The four design rules behind a 90-minute performance, starting with the claim that you win or lose the audience in the first minute. And the recruitment problem of training an actor who learns the whole show, performs twice, and quits because the street is not the theater. Deniau also names the advice he would give any operator building an emotional experience: stay true to the place, do not overplay it, and keep the technology out of the way.

Resources:

• Elyrea: elyrea.com
• Live actor booking for trade partners: elyrea.com/booking
• "The Colossus of Marousi" by Henry Miller, the travel book Deniau cites as the original spark

Most tour operators benchmark pricing against competitors and copy the playbook of the loudest voices in the industry. Mary Collins runs two businesses by ignoring both and starting from the question an anthropologist asks first: who benefits.

Mary Collins is the founder and CEO of Blue Fern Travel, a DC food tour company she launched with her husband in 2014, and the owner of Far Horizons Archaeology and Cultural Tours, the 40-year-old multi-day company she acquired in 2022. Both businesses sit on the same foundation: an anthropologist's instinct for community, story, and the economics of who benefits from a tour. Blue Fern pays full price at every restaurant, tips every server 20 percent, and routes a portion of every ticket back to a local nonprofit. Far Horizons travels with a PhD scholar from morning to night, caps at 14 guests, and spends two hours at sites where most competitors spend 30 minutes.

This episode is a working session on running two very different tour businesses from the same operating philosophy. Mitch and Mary go deep on hiring for personality over knowledge, pricing into demand instead of against the competition, building DMC relationships that survive a 20-year operator transition, and the specific moment Peter Syme had to tell her twice to raise her prices. She walks through what it took to inherit a beloved 40-year-old brand from its 80-year-old founder, the FileMaker-to-WeTravel tech overhaul, and the donation model that has routed half a million dollars to archaeological sites worldwide. Operators running food tours, scholar-led tours, or any business with a returning customer base will find concrete, actionable material here.

Resources:

• Blue Fern Travel (blueferntravel.com)
• Far Horizons Archaeology and Cultural Tours (farhorizons.com)
• Bread for the City (Blue Fern's donation partner)
• WeTravel (Far Horizons' booking platform)

Adam Guy runs I Know A Guy NYC Tours, a solo private tour business he started after quitting a 25-year fundraising and marketing career during COVID. Mitch and Adam unpack what it actually looks like to refuse the standard playbook of growth, hiring, and operational scale, and instead build a six-figure business around one person and a defined niche. Adam stays in New York City. He runs only private small group tours, half day or full day, averaging about three and a half guests. He's raised his prices five times in four years and has zero plans to open a second city.

The conversation digs into the mechanics that make this work. Adam treats the pre-tour phone call as marketing, drops a handwritten welcome kit at the hotel before the guest arrives, posts personal stories about guests on Facebook every day with a four to five week delay, and writes guest personas before he writes copy. He breaks down his actual numbers: 252 tours, 88 percent margin, 75 percent of business from word of mouth and social, an SEO channel that grew from 1 percent to 11 percent. He explains why he says no to food tours, comic book tours, and a second city, and how he refers those guests out without taking a commission. Operators will walk away with a working model for building pricing power, brand gravity, and repeat referrals as a one-person business.

Resources:

• I Know A Guy NYC Tours (Instagram and Facebook: @iknowaguynyc)
• Trip School, where Adam credits the bootcamp as part of his start

There is no itinerary. No promised outcome. And a 98 percent five-star review rate.

Geetika Agrawal is the founder and CEO of Vacation With An Artist (VAWAA), a platform connecting travelers with master artists in 42 countries for multi-day, one-on-one apprenticeships. The business does not sell tours. It sells access to process: five to six days in an artist's studio, working directly alongside practitioners of pottery, calligraphy, natural dyeing, quilting, shoemaking, and dozens of other craft traditions rooted in place and culture. There is no itinerary. No guaranteed finished product. No group of strangers to manage around. Just immersive making alongside people who have spent decades mastering their practice.

Geetika brings 20 years as a human-centered designer, including work at Disney Imagineering, L'Oreal, and Lincoln Center, to an operation run by a team of four with artists across 42 countries. Mitch and Geetika talk through how she vets artists (the internal bar: is this worth flying that far?), how she designed onboarding systems and feedback loops to maintain quality at scale, and why VAWAA has grown 25 to 30 percent organically for two consecutive years, hitting 50 percent growth this year, without a dollar in paid advertising. She also walks through the decision at the center of everything: sell the process, not the outcome. That decision, she argues, is directly why 98 percent of reviews are five stars.

Resources:

• VAWAA: vacationwithanartist.com or vawaa.com
• Geetika Agrawal on LinkedIn

Karl Wilder started The Chef Tours with 300 euros, no advertising budget, and a radical premise: spend the majority of your ticket price on food and wine, not marketing, and let your guests do the talking. It worked: 70% of his bookings now come from referrals.

Karl spends upwards of six months developing each new city, walking streets with his dog Milou, watching how vendors cook, tasting obsessively, choosing unique neighborhoods that other operators avoid. No two tours are the same: every tour shifts based on who's in the group, what's in season, which stand is having a great day. Groups are capped at six. There are no scripts. Chefs — not guides — run every experience, sharing their own lives, kitchens, and relationships with the city.

In this episode, Karl and Tourpreneur host Mitch Bach dig into why this model works, how to develop tours through deep neighborhood immersion rather than clipboard research, why he's selling a "development tour" as he explores the next city Buenos Aires, what operators get wrong about food storytelling, and why the messiest, most human, most unrepeatable experiences are the ones people can't stop talking about.

• Visit The Chef Tours
• Follow Karl on LinkedIn