In this episode, Trav and Pat have a real conversation about one of the most underrated truths in fitness: it's not about having the "perfect" program—it's about having a plan that actually fits into your life.

They break down why program adherence is more important than the structure itself, and how sustainability beats intensity when it comes to long-term results.

Whether you're juggling work, parenting, or just trying to find time to train, this episode will help you shift your mindset and make fitness work for you—not against you.