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Most people use credit cards wrong.
They swipe, pay the bill, and move on — leaving thousands of dollars on the table every year.

In Episode 349 of The Real Business Owners Podcast, Trevor Cowley sits down with Travis Cormier, a credit card rewards strategist who’s helped people turn everyday spending into first-class flights, luxury travel, and serious cash-back leverage.

This conversation breaks down how reward points actually work, why bonuses matter more than spending categories, and how business owners can stack points without wrecking their credit or wasting time.

This isn’t travel hacking for bloggers — it’s financial leverage for real operators.