Jared from Heliocentric joins me to talk about his experience attending a Latin Mass for the first time and what it reveals about the explosive growth of Rad Trad Catholicism online. We dive into the aesthetics, the online media machine, the psychology of conversion, and how social media fuels religious radicalization. We also reflect on sexuality, the pain of being gay in the Church, and our shared experiences with Jordan Peterson. This one goes deep.

00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome
00:23 Humorous Banter and Bible References
01:06 Jared's YouTube Channel and Background
02:37 Discussion on Traditional Catholicism
03:25 Rad Trad Influencers and Online Presence
05:02 Experiences with Latin Mass and Orthodox Church
23:07 Jared's Personal Journey and Challenges
33:03 Theological Reflections on Homosexuality
41:15 Struggles of Celibate Gay Christians
43:45 Navigating Catholic Teachings on Homosexuality
46:19 Conversion Therapy and Childhood Trauma
47:33 The Hierarchy of Catholic Vocations
49:35 The Reality of Online Religious Discourse
53:32 Emotional Honesty in Religious Conversations
54:28 The Role of Therapy in Leaving Religion
57:46 Personal Experiences with Faith and Atheism
01:02:47 Debating Religion Online vs. In Person
01:16:50 Behind the Scenes of Jubilee Debates
01:22:05 The Intensity of Live Debates
01:23:00 Reflecting on the Peterson Debate
01:24:38 The Hero's Journey in Jubilee Format
01:25:41 Peterson's Performance and Public Perception
01:29:10 The Evolution of Jordan Peterson's Ideology
01:33:01 Personal Impact and Critique of Peterson
01:44:12 Debating Religion and Atheism
01:48:27 The Role of Conversations in Deconstruction
02:00:00 The Influence of Online Debates
02:02:43 Navigating Hyper-Niche Content
02:03:14 Engaging with Online Audiences
02:04:12 The Reality of Internet Fame
02:05:07 The Fear of Being Misunderstood
02:06:06 Balancing Authenticity and Reach
02:14:38 The Ethics of Church Audits
02:16:25 Conversations on Faith and Belief
02:17:54 The Complexity of Deconversion
02:22:28 Debating Religion and Epistemology
02:30:06 Reflecting on Personal Narratives
02:34:44 Closing Thoughts and Future Plans

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