Two Plus Two: The Swinger Podcast for Couples

By Zack and Josie

Two Plus Two is a space for the conversations most couples aren’t having… but probably should be. Zack and Josie explore connection, intimacy, and relationships through honest, vulnerable discussions.... more

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Number 1: Ep 77: You’re Not Wrong… and Neither Is She: Intimacy and Sex in the Lifestyle
Zack and Josie are on their own again as they tackle a listener’s difficult question about navigating the lifestyle when partners have very different ideas about intimacy, emotions, and what feels comfortable. Only three months into the lifestyle, the listener and his wife have formed a strong four-way connection with another couple. He wants to develop a close, sensual relationship with the other wife while still viewing and desiring the relationship as something shared between the two couples. His wife, however, feels insecure about the depth of that connection and has made it clear that she doesn’t want to develop feelings for people they have sex with. What initially sounds like a disagreement about what is—or isn’t—too intimate quickly becomes a much deeper conversation about insecurity, fear, shame, vulnerability, and the need to feel safe with the person who is supposed to be your partner through it all. Zack and Josie explore the difference between making love and just fucking, how couples can move through the lifestyle together when their boundaries don't perfectly align, and why communication is foundational to sexual exploration and liberation. They also discuss how partners can create the kind of safety that makes difficult conversations possible, how to support rather than invalidate each other’s feelings, and why being fully supported by a partner can make all the difference when confronting the internal struggles that come with exploring outside the traditional boundaries of a relationship. True to form, Zack and Josie use thought experiments to examine the situation from different perspectives and offer their best advice for navigating this—and the many other difficult conversations couples may encounter along their lifestyle journey. Support our podcast by booking your ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠travel⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or purchasing your lifestyle products using our affiliate links. Visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twoplustwopodcast.com/resources/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ (00:00:00) A listener’s email (00:03:44) What is considered too intimate? (00:08:05) Making love and fucking (00:11:07) Moving through the lifestyle as partners (00:14:55) The internal struggle and performance anxiety (00:21:10) Relational vs transactional swinging (00:26:13) Communication in play experiences is key (00:29:10) Let’s talk about sex, Baby (00:32:44) Have the conversations - feeling safe is key (00:37:04) Thought experiments and evolving in the lifestyle (00:42:27) Sexual liberation and total acceptance and support (00:44:34) Labels don’t tell the whole story (00:46:15) Navigating difficult conversations (00:48:18) Closing thoughts and advice We'd love to connect with you! Create your own FREE account on Peaches'nCream, the new social media app for your lifestyle! INVITE CODE: 2PLUS2 ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://web.peachesncream.app/⁠⁠⁠⁠ Join the Two Plus Two Podcast Group on Peaches'nCream to see our exclusive photos, post your comments, ask questions and connect with Zack and Josie. Email us your thoughts, comments and ideas at: ⁠⁠[email protected] ⁠ Want to be a guest? Start with our guest application and tell us all about yourselves! https://twoplustwopodcast.com/guest/ Resources Book a Cruise or Your Trip to Temptation or Desire https://twoplustwopodcast.com/resources/
September 09, 202651min
Number 2: Ep 76: Naughty N’awlins: Five Days of Play, Pleasure & Pushing the Limits
For the first time, Zack and Josie recorded an episode of Two Plus Two entirely on their own—and they had plenty to talk about. They share the highs and lows of their first Naughty N’awlins experience, an event they had heard only positive things about. In a little nod to their previous conversation about taboo, they stepped well outside their normal routine and had five back-to-back play experiences, playing every day they were there. They discuss the positives and negatives of doing that and share some unexpected consequences. They each weigh in on whether they would repeat five days of consecutive play and what they may do differently. They attended workshops for the first time and experienced a dungeon tasting, where Josie was introduced to e-stim and the violet wand. She enjoyed the experience enough to purchase a violet wand of her own from The Dungeon Store. And then there’s the secret Brad repeatedly teased them about: How can you tell whether a play session is going to be good before you actually play? Zack and Josie finally reveal what they believe is the answer and discuss whether they would still play if they suspected the experience might not be great—or simply walk away and have sex with each other instead. Josie also reveals a shift in her mindset from “give me reasons to say yes” to “give me reasons to say no,” leading to a conversation about how their approach to play has evolved. They briefly share their experience at Colette and invite listeners to weigh in on whether they prioritize quantity or quality in their own experiences by joining the conversation on Peaches’nCream. Support our podcast by booking your ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠travel⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or purchasing your lifestyle products using our affiliate links. Visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twoplustwopodcast.com/resources/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ (00:00:00) Overall vibe of Naughty N’awlins and host hotels (00:06:27) Our first ever workshops (00:14:42) Dungeon tasting and the violet wand (00:19:50) We made connections prior to the event (00:26:31) We were naughty at Naughty (00:28:04) Our experience of Colette (00:31:56) Back to back play experiences (00:37:58) Quality over quantity (00:40:28) The negatives at Naughty (00:42:51) The health related negatives after Naughty (00:47:27) What we’ll do differently next time We'd love to connect with you! Create your own FREE account on Peaches'nCream, the new social media app for your lifestyle! INVITE CODE: 2PLUS2 ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://web.peachesncream.app/⁠⁠⁠⁠ Join the Two Plus Two Podcast Group on Peaches'nCream to see our exclusive photos, post your comments, ask questions and connect with Zack and Josie. Email us your thoughts, comments and ideas at: ⁠⁠[email protected]⁠ Want to be a guest? Start with our guest application and tell us all about yourselves! https://twoplustwopodcast.com/guest/ Resources Book a Cruise or Your Trip to Temptation or Desire https://twoplustwopodcast.com/resources/ The Dungeon Store www.TheDungeonStore.com
August 26, 202650min
Number 3: Ep 78: How to Get Your Wife Into Swinging (Without Getting Divorced)
What happens when one partner wants to explore the lifestyle and the other is a “hell no!”? In this entertaining and candid conversation, Zack and Josie are joined by Genie and Dr. G to explore a question that hits close to home for many couples: How do you convince your wife to get into the lifestyle? Presented tongue in cheek, the conversation reveals an underlying truth: You can't convince someone to do something they're not ready for. Each couple shares how they discovered the lifestyle, navigated their early experiences, and learned to balance two unique individuals within the same relationship. But what happens when a wife hears the suggestion and wonders, "Am I not enough?" Josie and Genie share their initial reactions to their husbands' proposals, offering insight into the emotions and concerns that can arise when one partner introduces the idea. The conversation explores both the female and male perspectives, along with practical advice for navigating insecurities, communication, and the desire to explore something new together. As the discussion evolves, the couples explore the importance of respecting the pace of the more conservative partner, recognizing individual differences, and understanding that a couple's journey doesn't have to look like anyone else's. Josie and Genie also reflect on the personal growth they've experienced through entering and navigating the lifestyle. Entertaining, informative, and filled with honest insights, this episode offers couples a valuable opportunity to reflect on their relationship, expectations, and readiness before taking the next step into the lifestyle. Support our podcast by booking your ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠travel⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or purchasing your lifestyle products using our affiliate links. Visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twoplustwopodcast.com/resources/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ (00:00:00) I’m as shocked as you are! (00:08:14) Life got busy and we moved on (00:11:35) Am I enough? (00:15:11) Gotta have it! (00:18:43) Plant the seed (00:25:48) Water the seed (00:30:16) Transparency and respect for each other (00:34:55) Things evolved organically at my own pace (00:38:07) We did it our way (00:41:07) Setting and honoring very clear boundaries (00:44:15) Selfish or selfless…it’s a balance (00:47:10) Be authentically yourself and take the journey together (00:48:49) Slow and steady (00:52:33) Ripping the bandaid off (00:54:30) You can’t convince her to do anything…let her be in control (00:57:54) Take her on the journey with you and discover things together (01:00:48) You can expect to grow personally and in your relationship (01:02:07) I am not the same person I was when we started (01:04:19) This episode can be a tool…listen with your partner We'd love to connect with you! Create your own FREE account on Peaches'nCream, the new social media app for your lifestyle! INVITE CODE: 2PLUS2 ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://web.peachesncream.app/⁠⁠⁠⁠ Join the Two Plus Two Podcast Group on Peaches'nCream to see our exclusive photos, post your comments, ask questions and connect with Zack and Josie. Email us your thoughts, comments and ideas at: ⁠⁠[email protected] ⁠ Want to be a guest? Start with our guest application and tell us all about yourselves! https://twoplustwopodcast.com/guest/ Resources Book Your Trip to Temptation or Desire ⁠https://twoplustwopodcast.com/resources/⁠ Dr. G & Genie's Groups Arizona Fantasy Club https://arizonafantasyclub.com/ Hot Wife Community https://hotwifecommunity.com/ Genie Wishes https://www.geniewishesevents.com/
September 23, 20261h 7min
Number 4: Ep 75: Taboo: Exploring the Lifestyle Despite Society’s Rules
Genie and Dr. G join Zack and Josie for their first appearance on the podcast. For more than a decade, they have created lifestyle events designed to give couples—and eventually singles—a safe, discreet and inclusive place to explore their sexuality. Through Genie Wishes, Arizona Fantasy Club and their fastest-growing group, Hot Wife Community, consent and respect are at the heart of everything they do. The conversation explores what it means to participate in a lifestyle that society often considers taboo. Genie and Dr. G share how their upbringings and societal expectations shaped their views about sex, relationships, guilt and shame—and how challenging those expectations has led to personal growth. They also discuss vulnerability between partners, creating a safe space for difficult conversations, making propositions without creating pressure, and how to handle a “no” with love and respect. It’s an honest conversation about challenging the rules people are taught to follow, embracing vulnerability, and discovering what can happen when couples give themselves permission to explore the parts of their sexuality that society tells them should remain taboo. Support our podcast by booking your ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠travel⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or purchasing your lifestyle products using our affiliate links. Visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twoplustwopodcast.com/resources/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ (00:00:00) Safety, consent and discretion are the cornerstones (00:10:54) Genie Wishes and Arizona Fantasy Club (00:12:33) Hot Wife Community (00:17:08) Reframing sex and the Vegas mindset (00:20:33) Societal and familial expectations and conditioning (00:27:31) Gay clubs are great for dancing (00:33:28) Dr. G’s upbringing and what other people think (00:36:54) Being vulnerable and creating a safe space for taboo subjects (00:41:27) Navigating propositions and conversations with respect (00:45:04) Reactions, responses and disappointment (00:47:44) Stigma of bisexuality for both men and women (00:55:14) Shame and guilt (01:00:44) Processing negative experiences (01:05:02) Internal and external struggles We'd love to connect with you! Create your own FREE account on Peaches'nCream, the new social media app for your lifestyle! INVITE CODE: 2PLUS2 ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://web.peachesncream.app/⁠⁠⁠⁠ Join the Two Plus Two Podcast Group on Peaches'nCream to see our exclusive photos, post your comments, ask questions and connect with Zack and Josie. Email us your thoughts, comments and ideas at: ⁠⁠[email protected] ⁠ Want to be a guest? Start with our guest application and tell us all about yourselves! https://twoplustwopodcast.com/guest/ Resources Book Your Trip to Temptation or Desire https://twoplustwopodcast.com/resources/ Dr. G & Genie's Groups Arizona Fantasy Club https://arizonafantasyclub.com/ Hot Wife Community https://hotwifecommunity.com/ Genie Wishes https://www.geniewishesevents.com/
August 12, 20261h 8min
Number 5: Ep 5: Swinger Origin Story; How your Two Plus Two Crew got into the Lifestyle
Every swinger couple has a story—a spark that lit the flame. It's actually one of the most common questions swingers are asked when meeting other swingers... "So how did you get into the lifestyle?" In other words, what's your origin story. Who brought up the idea of the lifestyle? How did their partner react? Was it an instant 'yes,' or a journey full of questions and challenges? In this episode, we’re getting personal. Zack and Josie, along with Brad and Brittany, are sharing the raw, unfiltered stories of how they each started their lifestyle journeys—and the bumps they hit along the way. Support our podcast by booking your travel or purchasing your lifestyle products using our affiliate links. Visit ⁠⁠https://twoplustwopodcast.com/resources/⁠⁠ and get your copy of the book that changed our lives forever: Come As Your Are. (00:00:00) Segment One: Caught up in the moment (00:04:32) I kissed a girl and I liked it (00:10:43) Accidental Soft Swap (00:13:59) Like getting caught by your parents (00:15:06) That was HOT…how do I tell my husband? (00:20:29) Brad & Brittany’s intentional entry into the lifestyle (00:23:19) Segment Two: The lifestyle…round two (00:26:28) Overcoming shame (00:30:48) Sex becomes routine (00:34:01) Be curious, vulnerable and explore (00:37:47) The lifestyle, as a vanilla couple (00:42:11) Lifestyle couples are respectful (00:45:35) Desire opened up conversations about the lifestyle We'd love to connect with you! Create your own FREE account on Peaches'nCream, the new social media app for your lifestyle! ⁠⁠https://web.peachesncream.app/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ INVITE CODE: 2PLUS2⁠⁠⁠ Join the Two Plus Two Podcast Group on Peaches'nCream to see our exclusive photos, post your comments, ask questions and connect with Zack and Josie. Email us your thoughts, comments and ideas at: ⁠⁠⁠⁠[email protected]⁠ Recommended Come as You Are by Emily Nagoski Ph.D. *Some of the links and resources shared may be affiliate links. This means we may earn a commission if you make a purchase through them—at no extra cost to you. We only recommend products and services we truly believe in.
January 29, 202549min