Have you ever sat in church, said your prayers, and still felt... nothing? Like your faith was stuck in neutral? You’re not alone—and you’re not broken. In this deeply honest episode, Reverend Dr. Kyle Norman shares how his wife’s cancer diagnosis led him into one of the darkest seasons of his life, shaking the very foundations of his faith. But instead of giving up, he discovered something unexpected: God hadn’t left. In fact, Jesus was closer than ever—meeting him not in strength, but in surrender.

If your spiritual life feels dry, discouraging, or just plain confusing, this conversation is here to remind you: your struggle is not a sign of failure. It may be an invitation to meet Jesus in a deeper, more personal way than you ever have before.

In this episode, you’ll learn:

• Why spiritual numbness doesn’t mean you’ve failed

• How to reframe discouragement as sacred invitation

• Real stories from scripture of people who wrestled with their faith

• What it means to find “holy ground” in moments of disappointment

• One simple but powerful practice to reconnect with God right where you are

Meet the Guest:

Reverend Dr. Kyle Norman is the rector of St. Paul’s Anglican Cathedral in Kamloops, British Columbia. He holds a Doctor of Ministry in Spiritual Formation and is the author of Alive, Loved & Free: A Spiritual Journey of Coming Home. Kyle is passionate about helping others experience the real, living presence of God—even (and especially) in the midst of life’s deepest struggles.

Connect with Kyle:

• Website: kylenorman.ca

• Instagram: @revkylenorman

• Book: Alive, Loved & Free – available wherever books are sold

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Faith often becomes a checklist—prayer, scripture study, ministry—rather than a living, breathing relationship with Jesus. In this episode of the Unhurried Living Podcast, Alan Fadling speaks with bestselling author and teacher John Eldredge about shifting from a performance-based spiritual life to one rooted in presence, intimacy, and encounter.

We talk about how to slow down in a world that values hustle, how to rediscover wonder in the midst of cynicism, and how to create personal rhythms that foster authentic connection with Jesus. If you long to experience Jesus—really—this conversation is for you.

John’s latest book, Experience Jesus—Really., invites readers into a deeper awareness of God’s presence and shows how to move from knowing about God to actually knowing Him in relationship.

Whether you feel spiritually dry, distracted by life’s pace, or just want to deepen your walk with Christ, this episode offers practical wisdom and hopeful encouragement.

Guest Bio:

John Eldredge is a bestselling author, counselor, and the president of Wild at Heart, a ministry devoted to helping people discover the heart of God and live more fully in His Kingdom. His books, including Wild at Heart, Beautiful Outlaw, and Get Your Life Back, have guided millions toward a more vibrant and personal walk with God. Through his teaching, writing, and podcasting, John invites people to experience God not as a distant figure, but as a present and personal friend.

Connect with John Eldredge:

🌐 Website: https://wildatheart.org
📘 Book: Experience Jesus—Really. available wherever books are sold
🎙️ Podcast: Wild at Heart Podcast
📸 Instagram: @wildatheart
📺 YouTube: Wild at Heart YouTube Channel

 

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If you’ve been longing for a more humane, hope-filled way to lead—this episode is for you. Dr. Nicole Massie Martin brings years of pastoral and executive wisdom to a deep conversation about what it means to lead from the soul, not the ego.

Alan and Nicole explore why so many leaders today feel spiritually empty, and how rediscovering the cross of Christ as a leadership model can bring healing—not just to individuals, but to teams, organizations, and communities.

🎯 Takeaways from this episode:

• The cost of leading without soul—and how to recover it

• Why redemptive leadership is possible, even in today’s world

• What cruciform leadership looks like in practice

• How to embrace stewardship over scale

• One practical step you can take today to lead with greater integrity

Whether you're leading in ministry, business, education, or at home, this episode offers hope that leadership can be redemptive, relational, and rooted in Jesus.

 

👤 About Dr. Nicole Massie Martin:
Dr. Nicole Massie Martin is the Chief Operating Officer at Christianity Today, the founder of Soulfire International Ministries, and an executive director at American Bible Society. She is a nationally recognized speaker and the author of Made to Lead and Nailing It: Seven Practices for Surrendered Leadership. Nicole holds degrees from Vanderbilt University, Princeton Theological Seminary, and Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary. She is passionate about equipping leaders to bring both soul and strategy to their influence.

🌐 Connect with Nicole:

• Website: https://nicolemassiemartin.com

• Instagram: @nicolemassiemartin

• Twitter/X: @RevDrNicole

• Book: Nailing It available now wherever books are sold.

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Life doesn’t always go according to plan. The map you were following suddenly doesn’t make sense. What once felt solid begins to crack. But what if this unraveling isn’t a detour... what if it’s part of the sacred path?

In this episode of the Unhurried Living Podcast, Gem and Alan Fadling explore a powerful biblical framework for spiritual transformation—orientation, disorientation, and new orientation—a pattern identified by Old Testament scholar Walter Brueggemann and lived out in the Psalms, in Christian history, and in our lives today.

Whether you're deconstructing your faith, walking through midlife questions, or just feeling lost in a long winter of the soul, this conversation will meet you there—with honesty, hope, and a deeper invitation into God’s presence.

🎧 We talk about:

• What the Psalms teach us about disorientation

• How deconstruction and spiritual formation overlap (but aren’t the same)

• Why lament and complaint are actually forms of faithful prayer

• How to move forward when nothing makes sense

No matter where you find yourself—building, unraveling, or starting fresh—this one’s for you.

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In this episode, Tracie Braylock joins Gem Fadling to explore how we can release the stress we were never meant to carry. Stress isn’t just a nuisance—it can quietly erode our peace, health, and capacity to enjoy life. Tracie brings a holistic approach to well-being, weaving together mind, body, spirit, and biblical wisdom to help us relax more intentionally and live more freely.

We discuss:

• Why understanding that you are fearfully and wonderfully made is a foundation for healing

• How to identify and address the root causes of stress

• What the “relaxation response” is and how to activate it

• The 9 Rs of Radical Relaxation and how they apply to power, mind, body, spirit, and relationships

• Why rest is not laziness, but an essential practice

• How to realign your spirit and deepen your connection with God

 

This is a gentle but powerful conversation filled with wisdom and grace. If you’ve been feeling the weight of stress in your life, may this episode be a breath of fresh air and an invitation to slow down and reclaim your peace.

✨ Listen in and let go of what was never yours to carry. ✨

🔗 Learn more about Tracie Braylock
📖 Check out her book Radical Relaxation

About Tracie:
Tracie Braylock is a registered nurse, integrative health practitioner, and wellness educator who helps women and organizations prioritize well-being through holistic care practices. As the author of Radical Relaxation, she combines science, soul, and scripture to guide others toward lasting peace, healing, and wholeness.

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Leadership is sacred work—but it can also leave wounds. What happens when unaddressed pain begins to shape the way we lead? And how can healing restore not only our souls but also the communities we serve?

In this episode, Alan Fadling is joined by Nicolas Rowe and Sheila Wise-Rowe, authors of Healing Leadership Trauma: Finding Emotional Health and Helping Others Flourish. Together, they offer a wise, grace-filled vision of leadership rooted in wholeness rather than woundedness.

This conversation is an invitation—to slow down, to pay attention to your inner life, and to believe that healing is not only possible but essential to healthy, sustainable leadership.

 

🎧 Topics we explore:

• What leadership trauma actually is—and why it’s often missed

• Why expectations can crush leaders, and how to be free of them

• How unhurried rhythms and reflection can lead to deep healing

• The surprising strength of vulnerability in leadership

• How community, not isolation, fosters restoration

• Practical steps to begin a healing journey today

Whether you’re feeling weary, burned out, or just ready to lead from a deeper well, this episode is for you.

 

🎙️ GUEST BIOS

Nicolas Rowe is a professor of leadership, a licensed therapist, and a leadership coach. With a deep understanding of both organizational systems and individual healing, he helps leaders navigate the emotional challenges that come with responsibility and influence.

Sheila Wise-Rowe is a trauma counselor, spiritual director, and author of Healing Racial Trauma. She brings decades of experience helping individuals and communities face pain with courage and move toward healing with hope.

Together, Nicolas and Sheila are passionate about helping leaders move from merely surviving to truly flourishing.

 

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What if your self-doubt, overreactions, or stuck-ness aren’t the real you? What if freedom is simply a matter of coming home to yourself?

Welcome to the Unhurried Living Podcast with Gem Fadling—where we help you rest deeper, live fuller, and lead better.

In this episode, Gem is joined by Michelle Chalfant, therapist, coach, and creator of The Adult Chair model, a framework that blends psychology and spirituality to help you understand your inner world and live from your truest self.

Together, they unpack:

• The three "chairs" that represent emotional development

• Why your ego may still be using outdated maps from childhood

• How to recognize and work with your inner critic and emotional triggers

• Why boundaries are deeply connected to your self-worth

• What it looks like to live confidently and securely from The Adult Chair

If you've ever felt trapped by old patterns, longed for emotional peace, or struggled to change despite your best efforts, this conversation will encourage you—and equip you with tools to grow.

🎧 Don’t forget to like, comment, and subscribe for more episodes that guide you toward a more unhurried, wholehearted life.

Resources Mentioned:

• Michelle Chalfant’s book: The Adult Chair

• The Adult Chair Podcast

• Learn more at michellechalfant.com

Guest Bio:
Michelle Chalfant is a therapist, holistic life coach, author, and speaker who has spent over 25 years helping people break free from the patterns that hold them back. She is the creator of The Adult Chair, a transformative model of self-discovery that integrates developmental psychology, neuroscience, and spiritual growth. Michelle is also the host of The Adult Chair Podcast, with over 10 million downloads, where she shares tools and insights to help listeners live more authentic, empowered lives. Through her courses, community, and coaching certification program, she equips others to step into emotional health and freedom.

 

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Have you ever stood at the edge of the ocean and been struck by its vastness—its depth? That sense of something greater calling to us? Today, Alan Fadling invites us into a reflection on the spiritual hunger so many of us carry: a longing not just to know about God, but to be deeply rooted in God.

In this episode, Alan explores what it means to cultivate a life of soul-depth, spiritual depth, and heart depth. Drawing from his book An Unhurried Life, the writings of J.I. Packer and Hans Urs von Balthasar, and his own pastoral journey, Alan encourages us to move beyond surface-level faith toward a life shaped by love, receptivity, and transformation.

📖 Topics we’ll explore:

• Why knowing about God isn’t the same as being deeply formed by God

• The difference between wide spiritual knowledge and rooted spiritual maturity

• How slowing down can open us to a more contemplative, relational depth with God

 

This is a conversation for anyone who feels the ache of a shallow faith and longs for something more enduring, more transformative, and more deeply connected.

 

🎧 Mentioned in this episode:

• An Unhurried Life (Revised Audiobook, narrated by Alan)

• Prayer by Hans Urs von Balthasar

 

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Have you ever found yourself grasping for a quick fix—work, food, social media, or endless productivity—to ease the discomfort of life? What if true healing and freedom don't come from trying harder, but from surrendering more deeply?

In this episode of the Unhurried Living Podcast, host Gem Fadling sits down with Ian Morgan Cron—bestselling author, psychotherapist, Enneagram teacher, and Episcopal priest—to talk about his new book, The Fix. This fresh and deeply personal exploration of the Twelve Steps goes far beyond addiction recovery. It's an invitation for all of us to embrace a more honest, grace-filled, and spiritually awake life.

Whether you’re feeling stuck, tired of surface-level fixes, or longing for true transformation, this conversation will meet you right where you are—and gently invite you to something deeper.

🌿 Key Topics Include:

• Uncovering our hidden addictions and coping mechanisms

• Why surrender—not willpower—is the true beginning of change

• The wisdom and grace of the Twelve Steps

• How shame gets in the way of healing, and how grace restores

• Building spiritual "muscle memory" through daily practices

• A path to healing that integrates therapy, spirituality, and real-life transformation

🎧 Listen in for a conversation that might just be the invitation your soul has been waiting for.

 

Guest Bio:  Ian Morgan Cron is a bestselling author, psychotherapist, Enneagram teacher, and Episcopal priest. He’s widely known for his work integrating psychology and spirituality, especially through the lens of the Enneagram. Ian is the author of The Road Back to You and his latest book, The Fix, offers a transformative look at the Twelve Steps as a spiritual path for everyone. With warmth, humor, and vulnerability, Ian invites readers and listeners alike to a life of deeper honesty, healing, and grace.

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Have you ever felt the ache of unmet expectations in your relationship with God? Does the faith you imagined seem different from the reality you’re living? In this episode, I sit down with Steve Cuss, author of The Expectation Gap, to explore the space between what we believe about God and how we experience Him in our everyday lives. Steve invites us to dive into the gaps that often hold our assumptions, fears, and doubts—and shows us how transformation can happen right there.

Through our conversation, we will learn:

• How to identify the stories we tell ourselves about God and why they matter.
• Practical ways to shift our perspective and experience greater freedom, trust, and intimacy with God.
• The three common gaps that can create frustration in our faith journey: God’s particular love, God’s visceral presence, and our spiritual progress.
• Insights from systems theory that can help us navigate the complexities of faith and leadership.
• Simple, yet powerful practices like reflection and adding ourselves to our conscious list of relationships to foster growth and wholeness.

If you’re wrestling with disappointment, control, or longing for a deeper connection with God, this episode is for you.

Steve, a pastor, author, and sought-after speaker, also shares insights from his book Managing Leadership Anxiety and how systems theory has shaped his approach to faith and leadership.

Join us as we unpack practical tools and meaningful shifts to help you navigate the complexities of faith and deepen your walk with God.

Don’t forget to subscribe and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues!

About Steve Cuss:

Steve Cuss is a pastor, author, and speaker who is passionate about helping people navigate the complexities of faith, leadership, and relationships. He is the author of The Expectation Gap and Managing Leadership Anxiety: Yours and Theirs. Steve is known for his practical approach to faith and leadership, using tools from systems theory to guide individuals and organizations toward greater health and transformation.

 

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