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173 Etienne Daigle – Quebec, Canada

If you’ve ever wondered what game wardens deal with north of the border, this one delivers. From bear

decoy busts to baby crocodiles in a bunker, “Agent de la faune” Etienne Daigle gives us a front row seat

to wildlife enforcement in Quebec, Canada - and it’s anything but predictable.

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 Starting the job at just 20 years old after switching from police academy to game warden

training

 “It’s two totally different jobs” - policing the woods vs the streets

 Quebec wardens enforce fish, game, and trapping laws, not full police powers

 Arresting suspects as a citizen in uniform before turning them over to police

 First posting in Lac Saint-Jean - a remote territory with massive patrol areas

 “People just don’t like bears” due to concerns about moose calves

 His very first case - a bear decoy operation during closed season

 Lying in a ditch as a hunter returns with his family

 Waiting for a second shot to confirm intent

 A plane flying overhead causes the hunter to panic

 Moving the decoy’s head to trigger a reaction

 “Dad, the bear is moving” leads to a second shot

 Officers step in after clear evidence is established

 “He truly thought it was a real bear.”

 Covering areas with 10,000 plus lakes and hours-long patrol drives

 Fishing opportunities - walleye, pike, and lake trout everywhere

 Moose hunting rules - multiple hunters and shared tags required

 “About a $2,500 fine” for illegal harvest

 “The most dangerous animal is a moose with a calf.”

 Transfer to a mining region brings more drug-related cases

 “We are there for wildlife, but we deal with human problems too.”

 Case involving a drug dealer with two baby crocodiles

 Illegal possession of exotic animals without proper permits

 Joint operation with provincial police

 Planning entry into a single-access basement

 Unexpected twist - the suspect’s father answers the door

 Securing the scene and removing the animals safely

 “Drugs and reptiles seem to go together.”

 Roughly 300 officers covering all of Quebec

 Balancing wildlife enforcement with real-world danger

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Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores

Producer: Jay Ammann

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W09 New England Naturals - With Jake DeBow

Jake DeBow didn’t just grow up around trapping; he grew into it, built a life around it, and somehow

turned frozen beaver ponds, late nights, and a sewing machine into a thriving business. In this episode,

Wayne sits down in Jake’s trapping shed to talk about New England Naturals, the art of fur, and why

more people are starting to care about where their food and even their clothing comes from. Spoiler:

beaver might be the best red meat you’ve never tried.

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 Kicking off the return of Warden’s Watch Wild: “I’ve got some wild stuff going on.”

 Meeting Jake DeBow, three years in the making to get him on the show

 Growing up with a father who was a nuisance wildlife trapper

 “It was always raccoons and skunks coming home in cage traps.”

 Sports first, trapping later, rediscovering it in college and grad school

 Getting into beaver trapping because “beaver meat is delicious.”

 Starting a trapline together as a couple, relationship goals outdoors style

 “She was never squeamish… just fascinated.”

 Using everything from a beaver: meat, fur, skulls, and glands

 The “rabbit holes” of natural products and curiosity

 The quiet, frozen beauty of winter trapping

 “There’s something really special about being out there.”

 Why trapping is harder to get into than hunting

 Appeal for young adults after college looking for purpose and connection

 Accessibility of beaver vs deer, “there’s a beaver in just about every ditch.”

 Feeding 50% of their red meat intake from beaver

 “I’ve never had someone try it and not love it.”

 Beaver as the “beef of the river,” rich, mild, versatile

 Supplying beaver for a wild game dinner, big reactions from the crowd

 Getting 9 to 12 meals plus weeks of dog food from one animal

 The origins of New England Naturals and frustration with low fur prices

 “We got $12 a beaver… it didn’t feel right.”

 Early side hustle, Etsy shop, tinctures, moose antler dog chews

 Pandemic pivot and turning $2,000 and fiddleheads into a sewing machine

 Teaching themselves fur sewing from scratch

 Starting with beaver fur koozies and laughing about early attempts

 The TikTok turning point, one video and everything sold out

 “We couldn’t keep up… we were sewing until 2AM!”

 Hiring their first employee and outgrowing the basement

 Moving into a real workspace and rapid growth over two years

 Using social media for education, not just selling

 Breaking misconceptions about trapping and outdated stereotypes

 “Trappers were quiet for 30 years… that time is gone.”

 The importance of public understanding and support

 Why people are reconnecting with their food

 “There’s something special about being responsible for what’s on your plate.”

 That same mindset applied to clothing and materials

 Fur as durable, warm, and biodegradable

 Plastic clothing “is going to be your grandkids’ problem.”

 Product focus on practical, hard-use gear

 Core products: muffs, mittens, bomber hats, and hand warmers

 “We want fur in people’s hands that actually gets used.”

 Beaver fur hand warmers - simple, reusable, effective

 Cat toys made from real fur: “cats go nuts for them.”

 Future ideas: blankets, vests, and more product expansion

 Balancing growth, time, and staying true to their mission

 Shop New England Naturals

 Follow the fun on TikTok, YouTube, Facebook, and Instagram

Credits

Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores

Producer: Jay Ammann

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Research / Content Coordinator: Stacey DesRoches

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In this National Police Week memorial episode, Wayne sits down with two men who lived through an

unimaginable moment when a training exercise turned into a fight for survival. Retired Indiana DNR

Lieutenant Colonel Terry Hyndman and First Sgt. Tom Jahn revisit the day they lost their friend and

teammate, First Sgt. Karl Kelley, in a swift water incident that still shapes them decades later. It’s a

difficult listen at times - but an important one - and a reminder of what service and brotherhood truly

mean.

“It is not how these officers died that made them heroes; it is how they lived.” ~ National Law

Enforcement Memorial, Washington, DC

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On this episode of Warden’s Watch, we sit down again with Ohio’s Kevin Behr - this time joined by his

wife, Kathy - to talk about survival, recovery, and the purpose they’ve found after Kevin was shot in the

line of duty. Recorded at the International Game Warden Conference, this conversation goes beyond

the incident itself and into what happens after - for officers, spouses, families, and anyone navigating a

critical incident. A powerful update, an honest conversation, and a reminder that survival comes with

responsibility - and that even in the worst moments, purpose can still be found.

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 Kathy’s spouse‑focused training on critical incidents - and why she created it

 “You don’t realize what you don’t have in place until it’s happening”

 Navigating power of attorney, medical decisions, and legal realities mid‑crisis

 Being Kevin’s voice while he was unconscious - medically and legally

 Why law enforcement statements on medication can be problematic in court

 The emotional toll on spouses and kids when an officer is critically injured

 Kevin seeing purpose in survival: “We did - they didn’t, so we have work to do.”

 Turning trauma into something meaningful, even when healing isn’t linear

 Stubbornness as a survival trait (and yes, it helped)

 Brain injury recovery, negativity, and recognizing the long road back

 Living with permanent change and reframing it positively

 “Any fool can get through this - I’m living proof.”

 The power of humor in trauma recovery

 Doctors who refuse to give up: “Nobody quits on my team. Not even you.”

 Finding a new purpose when the old one can’t exist anymore

 How Kevin’s experience now helps train officers, trauma teams, and agencies

 The ripple effect of sharing hard truths so others can prepare

 Sidebar conversations that matter more than the main stage

 Why laughing, crying, and telling the story all matter

 “Everybody’s the main character in their own story.”

 Surviving isn’t the end - it’s the beginning of responsibility

 Kevin and Kathy as resources for those walking similar paths

 Miracles along the way - and choosing to keep them moving forward

Credits

Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores

Producer: Jay Ammann

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In this episode of Warden’s Watch, we’re introducing a new sponsor to the show - Iron Skillet Seasonings - and sitting down with the people behind the product. Founder Dennis Dedek and new owner Cody Baciuska join us to talk about how Iron Skillet got its start, why their seasonings are developed specifically for wild game, and what makes them different from anything else on the shelf. From decades‑old family recipes to practical, real‑world cooking advice, this is a conversation about making wild game taste its best - without overcomplicating it.

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What began as a baffling discovery in a Washington State clearcut quickly turned into one of the most significant wildlife cases in the region – mainly because of the sentence that followed. Officers Lanny McOmber and Sergeant Brian Alexander walk us through a long, technical investigation involving multiple poached elk, complex necropsies, geofence warrants, cutting-edge tech and a suspect who just couldn’t stay away.

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·        Why officers called it the Ray Anderson case

·        Four elk found dead in a clearcut

·        “There was no question - this was a poaching incident.”

·        Necropsies on multiple elk in field conditions

·        No bullets or brass recovered

·        A fifth elk tied to the incident

·        Early frustration with limited evidence

·        Asking the public for tips

·        Turning to geofence warrants

·        A complex, multi‑step warrant process

·        Waiting months for data returns

·        Separate trespassing issues on timber land

·        Cut gates and trail cameras

·        A familiar vehicle keeps reappearing

·        The suspect returning near the scene

·        Contact with a convicted felon

·        Firearms located in the vehicle

·        Quietly keeping cases separate

·        Geofence data starts lining up

·        An interview that slowly tightens

·        Initial denials turn into admissions

·        The claim of “guiding” elk by shooting at them

·        Washington’s spree‑killing statute explained

·        Elevating wildlife violations to felonies

·        How prior case law came full circle

·        The gut punch of sentencing day

·        A delayed - but meaningful - outcome

·        Mentorship and career‑defining cases

·        “You create your own luck in this job.”

Credits

Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores

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In this episode of Warden’s Watch, we sit down with members of the Pennsylvania Game Commission’s Tracking Team - a rare, highly trained group of game wardens who specialize in man tracking. From grassroots beginnings and intense training standards to real‑world deployments where everything clicks, this conversation explores what it truly means to be experts in the woods. Along the way, the guys share powerful success stories, gear talk, and a reminder that camaraderie might just be the most important tool they carry.

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·       How Pennsylvania’s Tracking Team grew from a small grassroots idea

·       Wardens investing in their own training before the team officially existed

·       The missing person search that proved the team’s value

·       What it really means to be “the police in the woods”

·       Why earning a tab can take two to five years

·       The training required to stay on the team, from tracking to firearms to med skills

·       Why trackers focus on disturbance, not perfect boot prints

·       “If it was just footprints in the sand, we wouldn’t need a tracking team.”

·       Learning the natural patterns of the woods - and noticing what breaks them

·       How time, distance, and decision‑making shape every search

·       A call‑out that led to a young boy being found and returned home

·       A fugitive pursuit that unfolded just like a training scenario

·       “Everything clicked - it felt like Christmas morning.”

·       How tracking teams and K9 units support each other in the field

·       Knowing the limits of scent work and when human tracking matters most

·       The gear they carry and why preparation is everything

·       A quick snack can be a small thing that makes a big difference

·       How mapping and coordination happen before teams ever hit the woods

·       The close‑knit camaraderie that defines the team

·       What it means to wear the tab and lead by example

·       The “shirt off your back” tradition

·       Why so many wardens want to join the team - and why standards stay high

·       How teams like this help agencies stay trusted, capable, and relevant

Credits

Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores

Producer: Jay Ammann

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Spring might still be a snow-covered dream up north, but down in Georgia the dogwoods are thinking about blooming – and that means the turkeys

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·        Spring turkey talk and the north–south difference in season timing

·        Patrick’s 13 years as a Georgia game warden

·        Working the Georgia coast: shrimping, crabbing, oysters, and commercial fisheries

·        Moving inland and “traditional” game‑warden work

·        HuntRegs’ goal of improving public understanding of what wardens actually do

·        “There’s not enough game wardens” - why follow‑up matters

·        What wardens look for on a turkey hunter check

·        Licensing requirements for turkey

·        Bag limit changes: two per season, one per day

·        “Leave one to keep the population going”

·        Printed harvest records vs app check‑ins

·        You can game‑check without service and upload later

·        Requirements: record before moving the bird, game‑check within 24

·        Turkeys as the most‑poached species and why tagging matters

·        Patrick’s approach with inexperienced hunters and juveniles

·        Why turkey hunters tend to be more seasoned

·        Public‑land turkeys: “No inexperienced hunter is killing a Georgia public bird”

·        Florida, early spring weather, and turkey chatter starting up

·        “When the dogwoods bloom, the turkeys gobble”

·        Common mistakes: assuming WMAs follow statewide turkey dates

·        Miss the quota? “You’re definitely getting a ticket.”

·        HuntRegs app: geolocation, pin drops, license requirements, special rules

·        Archery‑only zones, no‑camping rules, and property‑specific notes

·        Game wardens using the app themselves before checks

·        Printed regs and rules: “They call it the digest… not very digestible!”

·        Growth of HuntRegs and its state‑by‑state customization

·        A turkey tossed out a car window, then snatched and hidden by a dog

·        “Did you charge the dog - aiding and assisting?”

·        No fall turkey season in Georgia; hens always protected

·        HuntRegs‑generated cases: night hunting, baited duck ponds, hunting without permission

·        Duck pond baited with molasses and corn, caught on Thanksgiving morning

·        Why community tips matter

·        Focus on catching blatant violations: night hunting, baiting, hunting under the influence

·        Anonymous reporting, optional follow‑ups, and confidentiality

·        Georgia’s monetary rewards for tips leading to convictions

·        Improving the system based on warden feedback

·        “Already a good day when you learn something new.”

Credits

Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores

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It’s Women’s History Month, and there’s no better time to highlight CPO Amanda McKune - Illinois officer, new mom, and the 2025 NWTF Officer of the Year. Amanda shares the behind‑the‑scenes reality of the job: the long hours, the high‑stakes turkey and deer cases, the instincts that guide her, and the determination that has already defined her first six years in the field. Humble and relentless, she’s exactly the kind of story this month is made to celebrate.

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·   Stepping onto the NWTF stage and realizing the scale: “I had no idea going into that… wow.”

·  Working turkey and deer hunters in southern Illinois - being “in the right place at the right time.”

·  The habitual turkey poacher and the tip that set everything in motion.

·  Working 3 AM mornings through April until she finally caught him.

·  Charging him with 8 birds she could prove, knowing the real count was far higher.

·  Spending another April up before dawn to catch him again during suspension.

·  The rush when officers from another district caught him a third time.

·  Why turkey cases are so tough: long hours, staying still, waiting.

·  “Sometimes it doesn’t add up… but 90% of the time it leads to something.”

·  The strain of April on her young family - “They put up with me the whole month of April.”

·  A wild deer case: a shot at dark, a suspect in Long Johns, and three huge bags of illegal deer corn.

·  Interviews stretching for hours as he claimed he was “just looking.”

·  Finding his gun buried in a creekbed, wrapped in his unworn camo: “We were all amped up… we got him.”

·  Growing up fishing, discovering her interviewing superpower — “People just like to talk to me.”

·  The importance of catching a single word out of place.

·  Illinois’ massive deer - with 26‑pointers becoming normal in some counties.

·  Ongoing cases involving 30+ illegally killed deer.

·  Starting her career in the same county she grew up in.

·  Knowing the land, families, and history.

·  Tips and informants as the backbone of most big cases.

·  Balancing motherhood, a state‑trooper husband, and long hours: “I’m taking advantage now and trying to catch these guys while I can.”

·  The rise of night road hunting and non‑residents chasing big Midwest deer.

·  October–December feeling like another April.

·  A new era of poaching — thermal optics and crossbows with thermals.

·  Working across the Missouri border and the challenges of multi‑state cases.

·  District teamwork: “It takes all of us to make these big cases.”

·  The impact of heavy illegal take on local populations — especially in concentrated areas.

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On this episode of Warden’s Watch, we head deep into Louisiana with Captain Will Roberts and Sergeant Terry Hicks — two wildlife agents who bring the state’s culture, cases, and Cajun humor to life. From crawfish wars and cooking secrets to big-game patrols, wild night‑hunting busts, and the state’s legendary boat poker runs, Will and Terry share stories that reveal a Louisiana most of us have only imagined. It’s part culture lesson,

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·        Cajun cooking traditions, heavy seasoning, and why the roux matters.

·        “You season everything two or three times.”

·        Crawfish culture, regional boil methods, and the friendly “crawfish wars.”

·        How Louisiana farms, regulates, and harvests crawfish — and how dry weather affects production.

·        Wildlife across the state: deer, turkey, black bears, and tightly regulated alligator seasons.

·        Long deer seasons, electronic tagging, and how multiple hunting seasons overlap.

·        Busy waterways, boating safety, and enforcing alcohol laws on the water.

·        “A DWI on the water is the same as on the highway.”

·        The Tickfaw 200 poker run, big boats, long routes, and how safety has evolved.

·        Career paths, teamwork, and how Operation Game Thief works behind the scenes.

·        Memorable trespass, baiting, and night‑hunting cases,

·        Decoy operations and the mix of funny, tense, and unpredictable encounters.

·        Working small communities where they often know the people they catch.

·        Strong landowner relationships and why most hunters follow the rules.

·        Cajun identity, accents, and local names like sac‑a‑lait and pull‑dues.

·        What keeps them in the job — the adventure, the outdoors, and the humor.

·        “I’m surprised they pay us for a lot of the stuff we do.”

Credits

Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores

Producer: Jay Ammann

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