The man who might be back in the White House next year, Donald Trump, has caused huge alarm in Europe by saying that he might let Russia "do whatever the hell they want" against NATO allies that do not contribute enough to collective defence. Our guest says that Trump’s comments should galvanise Europe into strategic autonomy and energy independence. Teresa Ribera is Spain's minister for ecological transition, and a former secretary of state for climate change. She is a confidant of Spain's socialist prime minister, Pedro Sanchez.