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   Number 1: Lindsay Clancy Trial Day 18 + Karmelo Anthony Retrial Hearing

   The Clancy defense rests after five days and ten witnesses. The prosecution's rebuttal opens with a psychiatrist who says depression is not psychosis. And in Texas, a retired judge has until Monday to decide whether Karmelo Anthony's murder conviction still exists.First: where the Lindsay Clancy trial actually stands after Day 18, and every verdict legally on the table in Massachusetts. First degree, second degree, manslaughter, lack of criminal responsibility, hung jury. What each one actually means, why a finding of not criminally responsible does not mean she walks out the door, and the single word in the jury instruction that decides all of it.Then: the Karmelo Anthony retrial hearing in Collin County. Judge John Roach lost the case by going on television. The original murder trial was held in a room with twenty-seven public seats and no livestream, which the court administrator admitted this week was available the entire time. And the unwritten "gentleman's agreement" between prosecutors and the defense collapsed mid-trial over whether Anthony could take the stand, which is why the jury never heard from him.Both sides then opened the sealed background files on Austin Metcalf and Karmelo Anthony in open court. We cover both, and what each one legally would and would not have been allowed to prove.Content advisory: this episode covers the killing of three children and the killing of a seventeen-year-old. Part one includes what Clancy told her children during the killings, testified to publicly for the first time this week.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/we-saw-the-devil-a-true-crime-podcast--4433638/support.Website: http://www.wesawthedevil.comPatreon: http://www.patreon.com/wesawthedevilRobin's Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/robin_wstdTwitter: http://www.twitter.com/WeSawtheDevilInstagram: http://www.instagram.com/wesawthedevilpodcastTikTok: tiktok.com/@wesawthedeviltruecrime

   August 22, 2026·1h 23min
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   Number 2: The Lindsay Clancy Trial Recap: Day 2 of Jury Deliberations

   On Friday morning, twelve people in Plymouth, Massachusetts asked to see two things: a bag of prescription pill bottles and the knife Lindsay Clancy used on herself. That request is the entire factual content of the biggest news day in this trial since closing arguments, and within hours it had been publicly interpreted as a conviction, an acquittal, a hung jury, and a verdict coming Monday before lunch.This episode walks Friday minute by minute, then does the thing this show exists to do: separates what happened from what people needed it to mean.Also covered: the prosecution's rebuttal psychiatrist, Dr. Avram Mack, resigned from Nemours Children's Health on the same day he finished testifying, and Nemours will not say why. What that fact does and does not establish. The full evidentiary record the jury is working through, including why the central dispute is not whether Clancy was mentally ill. The five verdict options and what an insanity finding actually means in Massachusetts, which is not what the internet says it means. The sidewalk outside the courthouse, where pink t-shirts and handwritten signs reading "1st Degree MURDER" sat on benches thirty feet apart.And a Reality Check on why women are responding to this case the way they are, built on a fact most of the coverage has missed entirely: postpartum psychosis, the condition at the center of this five week trial, is not in the DSM.Recorded Sunday afternoon. The jury returns Monday at 9 a.m. Eastern. Nothing in this episode assumes a verdict.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/we-saw-the-devil-a-true-crime-podcast--4433638/support.Website: http://www.wesawthedevil.comPatreon: http://www.patreon.com/wesawthedevilRobin's Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/robin_wstdTwitter: http://www.twitter.com/WeSawtheDevilInstagram: http://www.instagram.com/wesawthedevilpodcastTikTok: tiktok.com/@wesawthedeviltruecrime

   August 30, 2026·1h 7min
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   Number 3: The Lindsay Clancy Trial, Day 19: Mistrial Over "Mortal Sin"

   Day 19 of the Lindsay Clancy murder trial in Plymouth Superior Court, and the prosecution's rebuttal case fell apart in slow motion. Forensic psychologist Dr. Kirk Heilbrun called the postpartum psychosis defense "convenient," offered the clearest alternate theory yet, and then said the words "isn't suicide a mortal sin" in front of the jury. Kevin Reddington moved for a mistrial. Judge William Sullivan denied it and then reprimanded the prosecution anyway. The jury went home early. Closing arguments are Wednesday.But the story nobody is covering is the firm. Both of the Commonwealth's rebuttal experts were retained through Park Dietz and Associates, named for the psychiatrist whose false Law & Order testimony got Andrea Yates' conviction overturned in 2005. The defense's star witness on Friday was Dr. Phillip Resnick, who was the Yates defense expert. This trial is a rematch, and the two prosecution experts cannot even agree on what is wrong with Lindsay Clancy.IN THIS EPISODEReddington takes apart Dr. Avram Mack on the DSM's four week postpartum window, the WHO's different standard, and the proposed six week revision. "Postpartum is not a disease, doctor." Mack admits it is roughly the third time in his career he has testified on criminal responsibility, and that he has treated about ten women with postpartum psychosis since 2001. On cross he concedes that blood work and thyroid testing should have been done, and as far as he can tell were not.Then the firm. Park Dietz and Associates, the Andrea Yates conviction reversal, the joint evaluation at Tewksbury, and why "two independent experts" is doing a lot of work in that sentence.Then Heilbrun. His testing found no malingering and a slight tendency to underreport symptoms. He diagnosed bipolar II, which splits the Commonwealth's own two experts. He offered "suicide combined with altruistic filicide" as the alternate theory, a theory in which love is the motive. He attacked the 18 minute voice on three fronts. And he used the word "convenient."Then the mistrial. "Intentional misconduct," Sullivan's instruction from the bench, and the second time religion has entered this trial through the prosecution's door.SOURCESBoston Globe, CBS Boston, ABC News, Boston 25 News, CNN, Fox News Digital, Court TV, and archival reporting from the Washington Post, NBC News and Psychiatric News on the 2005 Andrea Yates reversal.IF YOU NEED ITNational Maternal Mental Health Hotline: call or text 1-833-TLC-MAMA. Free, confidential, 24/7.988 Suicide & Crisis Lifeline: call or text 988.Keywords: Lindsay Clancy trial, Duxbury Massachusetts, Plymouth Superior Court, postpartum psychosis, insanity defense, Kirk Heilbrun, Avram Mack, Kevin Reddington, Judge William Sullivan, Park Dietz, Andrea Yates, altruistic filicide, true crime podcast, trial coverageBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/we-saw-the-devil-a-true-crime-podcast--4433638/support.Website: http://www.wesawthedevil.comPatreon: http://www.patreon.com/wesawthedevilRobin's Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/robin_wstdTwitter: http://www.twitter.com/WeSawtheDevilInstagram: http://www.instagram.com/wesawthedevilpodcastTikTok: tiktok.com/@wesawthedeviltruecrime

   August 25, 2026·1h 10min
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   Number 4: Lindsay Clancy Day 17 Recap: Chaplain Testimony & What the Jury Never Heard

   Day 17 was the shortest day of the Lindsay Clancy trial and possibly the day that decides it.One witness. Sheila Cavanaugh, a board-certified chaplain at Brigham and Women's Hospital who has visited Lindsay Clancy roughly 200 times since her three children were killed. She was there the day after. She was there when they pulled the breathing tube out on January 31, 2023, and Clancy's first words were that she was glad her children were safe. And she was there when Clancy described a persistent male voice that told her if she did not follow the command, neither she nor her children would be safe.That date matters. The Commonwealth's timeline says the first report of voices came on February 6. The chaplain just moved it up six days, and the defense now has two sources placing the voice earlier than the prosecution's story allows.Then Jennifer Sprague got up and ran the sharpest cross of the week: you wrote down everything else, so why is the voice not in your notes?Outside, about 300 women in pink stood silent on the courthouse lawn in a demonstration called Stand in Peace, organized by a woman who drove down from Maine. Shirts that said "She Needed Help." Applause for a defense attorney.And after the jury went home before lunch, the lawyers stayed and had the most consequential argument of the entire trial: what instructions the jury gets. Involuntary intoxication, in or out. Involuntary manslaughter as a lesser charge, in or out. First degree, second degree, or both. Those three answers determine the shape of every possible verdict in this case, and not one juror was in the room to hear it.Plus: why Judge Sullivan pulled every juror aside individually for the first time in 17 days, what Dr. Phillip Resnick's filicide research has to do with Friday's testimony, why the Commonwealth stacking three rebuttal experts tells you something, and a Reality Check on what happens when a murder trial becomes a movement.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/we-saw-the-devil-a-true-crime-podcast--4433638/support.Website: http://www.wesawthedevil.comPatreon: http://www.patreon.com/wesawthedevilRobin's Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/robin_wstdTwitter: http://www.twitter.com/WeSawtheDevilInstagram: http://www.instagram.com/wesawthedevilpodcastTikTok: tiktok.com/@wesawthedeviltruecrime

   August 21, 2026·1h 12min
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   Number 5: The Lindsay Clancy Trial, Day 21 Recap: The Last Witness Broke Ranks + Closings

   Day 21. The last day of evidence in Commonwealth v. Lindsay Clancy.Judge William Sullivan opened with a line from Henry V. Four hours later, defense attorney Kevin Reddington was reading the prosecution's own opening statement out loud to the prosecution's own final witness and asking him if he agreed with it. Dr. Gregory Saathoff, forensic psychiatrist at the University of Virginia and senior psychiatrist for the FBI's Behavioral Analysis Unit, said the statement minimizes what Lindsay Clancy was going through.That is the state's closer telling a jury the state's theory is too small.He also gave prosecutors the cleanest planning testimony of the trial. Both things happened the same day, from the same witness, under oath.This episode walks Day 21 in chronological order, start to finish.This episode contains discussion of child death, suicide, and psychiatric crisis.If you are struggling: call or text 988 for the Suicide and Crisis Lifeline. For postpartum mood disorders, the National Maternal Mental Health Hotline is free, confidential and available 24/7 at 1-833-TLC-MAMA.We Saw the Devil publishes three times a week.Website and full archive: wesawthedevil.com Patreon: We Saw the Devil Twitter: @wesawthedevil Instagram: @wesawthedevilpodcast TikTok: @wesawthedevilpolitics Facebook: wesawthedevil Robin on Instagram: @robin_wstdBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/we-saw-the-devil-a-true-crime-podcast--4433638/support.Website: http://www.wesawthedevil.comPatreon: http://www.patreon.com/wesawthedevilRobin's Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/robin_wstdTwitter: http://www.twitter.com/WeSawtheDevilInstagram: http://www.instagram.com/wesawthedevilpodcastTikTok: tiktok.com/@wesawthedeviltruecrime

   August 27, 2026·1h 27min
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