What a Creep

What a CreepSeason 23, Episode 2
The 1986 Attack on Model Marla Hanson

On Thursday, June 5, 1986, in New York City, 24-year-old Marla Hanson was lashed across her face with razors at the behest of her landlord (Steven Roth), who was fascinated with the rising model and upset she wanted to leave his apartment building. The case made her famous across the country for her moxie and vitality. It was also yet another reminder of how violent New York was in the 1980s.

The eventual trials against Roth and later the two men he hired for the mission, Steven Bowman and Darren Norman, tried to paint Marla as a man-eater who thrived on attention. Their defense attorney, Alton H. Maddox, said at the beginning of the trial: "I will tell you about a woman named Marla Hanson, who was after every man in this city, a woman who preyed on men and their relationships with women."

They were all found guilty, but Marla still lives with the emotional scars of being a victim, not just of the slashing but of the sometimes brutal justice system, which made her feel as if she were the one who should have been on trial. Today, we discuss this case and its repercussions on Marla and how she fights to protect victims.

Trigger warning: Sexual Assault & Violence
Sources for this episode:

• Texas Monthly
• Washington Post (1987)
• Marla Hanson (Wikipedia)
• New York Magazine
• Little Things
• The Marla Hanson Story (IMDB)
• Daily Mail
• Netflix: Skin Decision “Beauty Isn’t Dangerous”
• New York Times
• New York Times (2)
• New York Post
• Transcript of Larry King interview in 2002

Plastic surgery nonprofits

• ReSurge International
• Operation Smile
• FreshStart
• Mission Plasticos
• myFace at American Academy of Facial Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery

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What a CreepSeason 23, Episode 1
The Motion Pictures Association (MPA) Film Ratings System

We will discuss the Motion Picture Association (MPA) film ratings system, previously known as the Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA).
Why? Because although it doesn’t always seem like movie ratings matter, they do. Movie ratings decide how big of an audience a movie gets. Anyone can see a PG-13, while an NC-17 movie can’t even run ads for their film; most theaters won’t show it.
We talk about the double standards when it comes to straight sex vs. queer sex, male nudity vs. female nudity, and sex and violence.

Trigger warning: Foul language and sexual situations
Sources for this episode:

• “Breaking the Code” by Nat Segaloff
• Collider
• Film Ratings
• Forbes
• Gizmodo
• Indie Wire
• Motion Pictures Association
• Motion Pictures Association
• Roger Ebert
• Slash Film
• Vanity Fair
• Wikipedia (Motion Picture Association film rating system)
• Wired

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What a Creep
Season 22, Episode 10
The Kidnapping of J. Paul Getty III

In 1973, at the age of 16, John Paul Getty III was kidnapped in Italy. The kidnappers initially demanded a ransom of $17 million, but J. Paul Getty, the boy's grandfather and one of the wealthiest men in the world at the time, initially refused to pay. The kidnappers then sent a lock of the young Getty's hair and his severed right ear to a newspaper to pressure the family.

Eventually, J. Paul Getty agreed to pay a reduced ransom amount, and his grandson was released after being a captive for several months. This story inspired a feature film by Ridley Scott and a ten-part series featuring our favorite Hollywood comeback story--Brendan Fraser. This story has it all--miserable rich people, hippies, Italian mafiosos, and strained family relationships—trigger warning: addiction & kidnapping.
Sources for this episode:

• All That’s Interesting
• The Daily Beast
• Town & Country magazine
• New York Post
• New York Times
• Vanity Fair
• People magazine
• All the Money in the World, directed by Ridley Scott
• Painfully Rich by John Pearson
• People magazine 2
• J. Paul Getty Wikipedia
• The Gentleman’s Journal
• NPR
• Time
• Trust on FX
• Growing Up Getty: The Story of America’s Most Unconventional Dynasty by James Reginato

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What a Creep
Season 22, Episode 9
Keith Raniere/Nxivm (Replay)& Russell Brand Updates!

Happy day after Thanksgiving to everyone in the US! Since Sonia has now watched both seasons of "The Vow," we thought it would be a good time to replay our episode on Nxivm/Keith Raniere. Additionally, we have some Russell Brand news to share, which is quite creepy. We hope you all have a relaxing holiday weekend!

Sources for this episode:

• Albany Times Union (2012)
• Albany Times Union (2012)
• Albany Times Union (2019)
• South China Morning News
• New York Times October 17, 2017
• Vice (2020)
• CNN (2020)
• Forbes (2003)
• Vulture (2020)
• Los Angeles Times (2020)
• Oxygen
• Rolling Stone
• HBO’s “The Vow”
• Starz “Seduced”
• “Escaping NXIVM podcast/CBC.”
• The Ringer
• Bustle
• Mark Vincent Blog Post

Russell Brand news: "A man in his 40s attended a police station in South London on Thursday 16 November 2023," the Metropolitan Police said in a statement, declining to confirm whether it was Brand.” (Reuters)

• Daily Mail (Brand asks fans to support him)
• BBC Russell Brand called in for further offences
• New York Times November 19, 2023
• People Magazine November 19, 2023
• Reuters
• Complex
• Sky News
• New York Times: Russell Brand’s Alternate Reality

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What a Creep
Season 22, Episode 8
Crisis Pregnancy Centers

What started as a bunch of small, locally-run crisis pregnancy centers to discourage women from getting abortions has grown into an anti-abortion movement with political clout and government funding. These centers and the organizations that run them have only grown more powerful since the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade last year and removed abortion rights protections.

If you’re against abortion and want to encourage women to carry their pregnancies to term, you’re within your right to open a clinic that encourages that. But these crisis pregnancy centers spread lies and practice delay tactics to trick women into having babies. Creeps!
Sources for this episode:

• American College of Obstetricians and Pediatricians
• American Medical Association
• Associated Press
• California Department of Justice
• CalMatters
• Columbia Law Review
• CNN
• Last Week Tonight with John Oliver
• Legal Voice
• Mother Jones
• Ms. Magazine
• National Institute of Health
• Texas Tribune
• Time
• Vox
• Washington Post
• Wikipedia

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What a Creep
Season 22, Episode 7
Mark Schwahn “One Tree Hill showrunner and creep!

One Tree Hill was a popular CW show that had all the ingredients for success - attractive actors, dramatic storylines, a complex timeline, and was filmed in North Carolina. However, the show was marred by the inappropriate behavior of its showrunner, Mark Schwahn. His harassment and mistreatment of the cast and crew were brought to light by writer Audrey Wauchope in a series of tweets in 2017, during the height of the “Me Too” movement. This followed the investigation of another CW showrunner, Andrew Kreisberg, who was accused of sexual harassment and creating an unsafe work environment on The Flash. Kreisberg was paid $10 million to leave.

Today, we are discussing the impact of a toxic boss on a workplace, and the bravery of the women who spoke out against this behavior. Their actions have set a new standard for a safer and more respectful work environment, particularly after the recent strikes in the United States.

Sources for this episode:· Buzz Feed· Buzz Feed 2· Buzz Feed 3· Drama Queens Podcast· Drama Queens Podcast (Apple)· Variety· Variety 2· Screen Rant· Screen Rant 2· EW· EW 2· EW 3· Decider· Insider· Hollywood Reporter· Best Life online· Deadline· Deadline 2· The Wrap· Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum podcast· AV Club· Burn it Down: Power, Complicity, and a Call for Change in Hollywood by Maureen Ryan

Trigger warnings: Sexual Harassment, sexual assault, and workplace abuse

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What a Creep
Season 22, Episode 6
TMZ

Just in case you don’t know what TMZ is: It’s a tabloid news organization. They have a website, a TV show, and a webcast.

It’s known for breaking celebrity gossip like Mel Gibson's antisemitic rant during his drunk-driving arrest, the death of Heath Ledger, all the stories about Britney Spears, detailing every little thing about Paris Hilton and Lindsay Lohan back in the day, and the death of Michael Jackson.

The biggest story that TMZ refuses to cover is that they’re a garbage gossip site with a history of misogyny, harassment, racism, and abuse toward the celebrities they cover and their own employees.
Sources for this episode:
Buzzfeed
Buzzfeed
The Cut
The Daily Beast
The Daily Beast
The Guardian
Jezebel
Lainey Gossip
The New Yorker
Pajiba
ThinkProgress
Wikipedia
Trigger warnings: Sexism, sexual abuse, and suicide

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What a Creep
Season 22, Episode 5
The Salt Creek Kidnappings (Real-Life Wolf Creek)

In 2016, two backpackers traveling through Australia teamed up to check out the Salt Creek region of South Australia through the Gumtree website (kind of like Craig’s List for ride shares). They didn’t know that the 6’6” man who agreed to drive them to the Coorong beach was a violent offender who preyed on women looking for adventure. This is a story about Creep Roman Heinze and the resiliency of two women who survived his attacks and helped this loser be sent to prison.

Sources for this episode:· Triple M.com· The Guardian· MamaMia.com· New Zealand Herald· 60 Minutes Australia· The Adelaide Advertiser· Thought Catalog· Salt Creek Wikipedia· HuffPost.com

• New South Wales Backpack Murders (1989-1993)
• Ivan Milat

Trigger warning: Kidnapping, Sexual Assault, and rape.
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What a Creep
Season 22, Episode 4
Justin Roiland from ‘Rick and Morty’

Justin Roiland is a voice actor, animator, writer, producer, and director. He is best known as the co-creator of Adult Swim's Rick and Morty.

Roiland used his success to start conversations and develop relationships with young fans, including some who were underage. This is called grooming. He’s also been credibly accused of domestic violence, and just last month, several people accused him of sexual assault.

Sources for this episode:

• Forbes
• The Hollywood Reporter
• The Hollywood Reporter
• The Mary Sue
• NBC News
• Rolling Stone
• Variety
• Wikipedia (Dan Harmon)
• Wikipedia (Justin Roiland)

Trigger warning: Domestic violence, sexual assault, and grooming

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What a Creep
Season 22, Episode 3
Osage Murders “The Reign of Terror”(The story real story behind "Killers of the Flower Moon")


The movie "Killers of the Flower Moon," directed by Martin Scorsese and based on David Grann's book, is the story of the Osage Indigenous tribe's "Reign of Terror" in Oklahoma during the early 20th century. In this episode, we delve into one of the earliest cases investigated by the newly formed Federal Bureau of Investigations, which unfortunately did not solve every murder. We also discuss how these crimes have affected the victims and their descendants for over a century.

Sources for this episode: · Osage Murders Wikipedia· Killers of the Flower Moon: The Osage Murders and the Birth of the FBI By David Grann· Oklahoma Historical Society· National Geographic· PBS Short Film Festival· Osage Nation.gov· Famous Trials.com· NPR Fresh Air· Brittanica· Oxygen TV· The History Channel· All That is Interesting.com· HistoricalGmen.com· Just the Facts: True Tales of Cops and Criminals by Jim Doherty· Atlas Obscura (rare photos)· YouTube “The 1920s Channel”· Rolling Stone

Trigger warning: Murder, racism, police brutality

If you are looking for ways to help Israeli and Palestinian victims, here is a list of some organizations promoting providing relief.

• Doctors Without Borders
• Save the Children
• International Rescue Committee
• Sulula Animal Rescue
• SPCA Israel
• Animal and Environment Association (AEA) Bethlehem Shelter

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