Michelle Dempsey is a trauma-informed co-parenting expert helping to protect our kids in divorce, by centering their experience. She's also the founder of the Moving On Method and the author of Moving On. After a childhood where she experienced a very high conflict and drawn out divorce between her own parents, she grew up, got married, and realized she needed a divorce herself. Now happily remarried and co-parenting her own daughter while step-parenting her bonus daughter, Michelle has lots of hard-earned wisdom to share. On this week's podcast, we are talking about what it takes to set the right tone, how you can message positively about hard things without gaslighting your own children, why labels like narcissist don't often serve us, and how hard it is to get it right. Michelle has some ideas. And from where I sit, she's definitely one of those who is in fact getting it right.