What is a Good Life?

What is a Good Life? #21 - Beyond The Illusion of Self with Katrijn van Oudheusden


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On the 21st episode of the "What is a Good Life?" podcast, I am joined by Katrijn van Oudheusden, who is the author of "Selfless Leadership," a writer, coach, and guide. Her work focuses on helping you see through the illusion of the separate self.

In this episode, Katrijn takes us on an exploration and investigation of the paradigm of the separate self. She references neuroscience, physics, and the traditions of Buddhism, Advaita Vedanta, etc., which have been saying for centuries that there is no separate self.


Katrijn shares her own path in coming to this realisation and how this awareness leads to a life of freedom, where everything has meaning, and where one doesn't take things so personally or feel small and disconnected.


I found this conversation to be captivating, challenging, and enlivening. Regardless of the beliefs you hold, this episode will be a valuable tool in your own investigation of reality and what a good life means to you.

Subscribe for weekly episodes, every Tuesday, and check out my YouTube channel (link below) for daily clips and reflections.

Contact me at [email protected] to book a free 30 minute consultation for one-on-one coaching programs or to hear about corporate workshops I am offering around this question.

Running Order: 

01:25 The podcast begins

02:35 What is the separate self?


09:37 Duality of experience while knowing there’s no separate self


12:25 Free Will - where is the decider or the doer?


17:33 The paradox of personal consciousness


21:40 Everything has meaning


27:16 Personal path to seeing though the separate illusion


31:57 There is only this experience - you are everything


36:13 Life is no longer so personal - it simply occurs


41:57 Attachments to wonder, judgement, awe and labels


45:39 The mind’s role in separateness


51:07 Keep making plans but know we are pretending


57:11 What is a good life for Katrijn?

For further content and information check out the following: 

- For the podcast's YouTube page: https://www.youtube.com/@whatisagoodlife/videos

- My newsletter: https://www.whatisagood.life/

- My LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mark-mccartney-14b0161b4/

- Katrijn's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/katrijnvo/

- Katrijn's website: https://selflessleadership.life/

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