In this deep dive episode, Kevin Mills from Triton Liquid Fund joins us to examine the fundamental value of Ethereum through multiple analytical frameworks. Building on John Pfeifer's influential 2017 paper, Kevin explores cash flow models, equation of exchange, and the internet bond theory to assess ETH's true value. The conversation challenges popular narratives around monetary premium and questions traditional valuation approaches in crypto markets. Essential listening for anyone interested in crypto asset valuation fundamentals.

Read the paper: https://whatisethereumworth.com/

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📝Quick notes & topics:

• ETH cash flow valuation challenges

• Value capture vs value creation

• L2 impact on ETH economics

• Monetary premium limitations

• Application layer value capture

• Protocol value extraction limits

Timestamps:

00:00 Start

01:39 Kevin bio

04:26 Original paper overview

08:19 Valuation methods

11:51 Denominating in ETH

13:17 Issuance rate / cash flow

18:26 Equation of exchange

29:41 Internet bond

33:41 Working capital theory

37:16 Carrying cost of capital

41:18 Counter arguments: Ultra Sound Money

47:14 Premium block space

55:20 Bimetalic history

58:39 Likely outcomes

1:03:06 The utility path to zero

1:05:08 App layer thesis

1:09:11 RIP Fat Protocol Thesis

1:11:08 Value capture mechanisms

1:15:16 Solana's got the same problems

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