It has been 250 years and America still doesn’t know how to talk about the genocide of indigenous peoples that kicked the whole thing off.

Guest: Rebecca Nagle, host of Pushkin’s First America podcast, Crooked's This Land podcast, and author of “By The Fire We Carry: The Generation-Long Fight for Justice on Native Land”.

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