Everyone needs a hobby. Unfortunately, instead of, say, model trains, the world’s first trillionaire’s seems to unwind by boosting calls for anti-immigrant violence on his social media platform.

Guest: Nitish Pahwa, Slate staff writer covering business and tech.

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