When Brandt Jean, younger brother of Botham Jean, hugged his brother’s killer Amber Guyger, it became a viral sensation—and a powerful symbol for many of forgiveness. On today’s Zeitcast, we asked the brilliant writer, speaker, singer-songwriter Andre Henry to take us deeper not just into the story, but the story we tell about the story. Along the way we talk broader themes of forgiveness, justice, grace, cancel culture, Ellen and George W. Bush, and more!

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