On the morning of April 19, 1995, a former US Army soldier

Inside the truck was everything he needed to carry out his

He ignited a timed fuse, and a second fuse as backup.

Inside the building, in one of the office conference rooms,

The blast effect was equivalent to over 5000 pounds of TNT,

Inside the building, 163 people were killed. Additional

My guest today, Amy, was in the Federal Building that

You’re about to hear her talk about what happened to her

And on top of that – this is a Flashback episode. Amy told

If you’d like to contact Amy, you can do that through her

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Hey, this is Scott and you’re listening to What Was That

And the name of the podcast, What Was That Like, was chosen

But sometimes I like to find someone who has a really

Today I’m talking to Scott Payne. For many years, he worked

I asked him lots of questions about this job, and then he

Scott socials:

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X – https://x.com/Scott_D_Payne

Scott’s book – Code Name: Pale Horse: How I Went

https://www.amazon.com/dp/1668032902

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Every Tuesday, we grab a past question from the

Facebook group, then Meredith and Scott answer it and read some of the answers

given by other listeners.

The question for this episode:

What's a common social etiquette rule that makes no sense?

Links for this episode:

Meredith’s foot fetish episode:

https://www.meredithforreal.com/podcast-episodes/episode/7cc267d5/ep-274-whats-up-with-foot-fetishes

Euphemisms for farting:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/different-words-for-fart_b_3498191

Meredith’s podcast is Meredith For Real – the Curious

Introvert:

https://MeredithForReal.com

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George Pickering Sr heard his son’s medical prognosis, but

he wasn’t ready to accept it.

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When you hear the word “grandparents”, what comes into your

mind?

For me, it’s someone who loves their grandchildren

unconditionally. And they just want to GIVE all the time. There’s some truth to

the phrase “If Mom and Dad say no, go ask Grandma!”.

“Grandma” brings up an image of an older woman, in the

kitchen baking cookies. “Grandpa” means the old man out in the garage,

tinkering with the lawn mower and having me “help” by handing him a wrench or a

screwdriver.

But those are just stereotypes. And sometimes real life

doesn’t match up with the way we commonly think of how grandparents are

supposed to be.

As a little girl, Gwen saw her grandparents all the time.

And she knew her grandpa could sometimes be a not very nice person.

Then one day, Gwen’s grandma decided she’d had enough.

Content warning: this episode includes discussion of gun

violence.

If you’d like to contact Gwen, she’s in the WWTL Facebook

group:

https://WhatWasThatLike.com/facebook

Full show notes and pictures for this episode are here:

https://WhatWasThatLike.com/213

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Every Tuesday, we grab a past question from the

Facebook group, then Meredith and Scott answer it and read some of the answers

given by other listeners.

The question for this episode:

What's the most difficult thing you've ever had to tell

someone?

Links for this episode:

Fierce Conversations by Susan Scott:

https://www.amazon.com/Fierce-Conversations-Achieving-Success-Conversation/dp/0425193373

Meredith’s podcast is Meredith For Real – the Curious

Introvert:

https://MeredithForReal.com

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discussion, join us at WhatWasThatLike.com/facebook.

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This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy

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If you’re a parent, you know that the birth of your first

child is an incredible experience. For Steve and Camre, it didn’t happen at all

the way they expected it to.

Steve got the call at work that Camre was at the hospital

and had already delivered the baby. He dropped everything and drove there

frantically, and he was confused because the baby wasn’t due for another 7

weeks.

He ran into the hospital, and the first thing he saw was his

newborn son, Gavin. He quickly scrubbed up and held him for the first time.

What Steve didn’t know was that, at that moment, Camre was

being put into a medically induced coma in order to save her life. He also

didn’t know that when she would come out of that coma, she would have no memory

of anything. She would not recognize Steve, and she wouldn’t even know she had

just had their baby.

This is a Flashback episode. Steve originally told this

story on the podcast about 5 years ago, so at the end of today’s episode we’ll

get to hear from modern-day Steve, and he’ll tell us what’s happened since

then.

Steve’s book:

https://www.amazon.com/Know-Love-Steve-Camre-Curto/dp/1693701502/ref=sr_1_1

Full show notes and pictures for this episode are here:

https://WhatWasThatLike.com/212

Graphics for this episode by Bob Bretz. Transcription was

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Asian elephants are incredibly huge animals.

An adult elephant can be roughly 9 to 11 feet tall. Just

standing next to one is pretty intimidating. But imagine being on top of one of

them. It would be like if you had an average size man, then another man was

standing on the first man’s shoulders. Then you would be sitting on that second

man’s shoulders. That’s pretty high up.

For Leilani, it was a dream from her childhood to interact

with a full-size Asian elephant. And that’s where she found herself – in

Thailand, on a mountain trail, on top of one of those huge animals.

And then things went wrong.

Leilani socials –

https://www.instagram.com/rowoffire/

https://www.linkedin.com/in/leilani-otuafi-558a77b9/

Full show notes and pictures for this episode are here:

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Graphics for this episode by Bob Bretz. Transcription was

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Every Tuesday, we grab a past question from the Facebook group, then Meredith and Scott answer it and read some of the answers given by other listeners.

The question for this episode:

What made your neighbor so terrible?

Links for this episode:

Meredith’s podcast is Meredith For Real – the Curious Introvert:

https://MeredithForReal.com

To check out the new Tuesday Question and get in the discussion, join us at WhatWasThatLike.com/facebook.

Sponsor deals:

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This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at BetterHelp.com/WHATWAS and get on your way to being your best self.

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Floyd loved exploring the caves of Kentucky, but one day

things didn’t go as planned.

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