Joining us on this week's TRN Podcast is Drew Povey. He is a leadership geek, in his own words.

Drew works with businesses, schools and sports teams. He's also the author of 3 books, including his newest book, When The Clouds Come, which is all about resilience and thinking differently when times are more demanding.

We talk about leadership, what Drew has learnt from working in education, how we can focus differently, organisational and personal leadership and how we can deal with the challenges that are thrown at us.

We hope you enjoy it!