Why even self-help authors can still be messy.

Glennon Doyle is the CEO and Founder of Treat Media, an award-winning media company that makes art for humans who want to stay human. She is an author, podcaster, producer, and philanthropist. Her books include the #1 New York Times bestsellers Untamed and Love Warrior; the New York Times bestseller Carry On, Warrior; and Get Untamed: The Journal.

Abby Wambach is a two-time Olympic gold medalist, FIFA World Cup champion, six-time winner of the U.S. Soccer Athlete of the Year award and one of Time's Most Influential People. She is a founder of Treat Media, and the author of the #1 New York Times Bestseller Wolfpack and the New York Times bestseller Forward.

In this episode we talk about:

• Significant personal struggles that happened simultaneously for Glennon, Abby, and Glennon's sister, Amanda
• How that led to them writing a book about the fundamental life questions they believe everyone grapples with
• Why people in the self-help world don't always have their shit together
• Why trauma leads to dissociation
• How to "go on" after the experience of grief
• Why we are the way we are
• Family roles, attachment theory, and learned behaviors
• The possibility of personal change
• Our thoughts on the latest season of the White Lotus
• And much more

Related Episodes:

• Abby Wambach On: Grief, Addiction, And Moving From External To Internal Validation
• Glennon Doyle is Rethinking Her Relationship to Social Media, Hustle Culture, Intuition, Her Body, and Her Parents

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Additional Resources:

• We Can Do Hard Things Book
• We Can Do Hard Things Podcast
• Treat Media
• Untamed
• Wolfpack
• Intimate Terrorism by Michael Vincent Miller