Can someone truly be devoid of guilt in the face of heinous crimes? The "Hidden Killers" podcast with Tony Brueski takes a deep dive into the twisted mind of Lori Vallow Daybell as she faces extradition to Arizona on conspiracy to commit murder charges. The hosts, alongside Trial Consultant and Body Language Expert Susan Constantine, explore the complexities of Lori's mental state and the legal ramifications it holds.

 

 The podcast discussion opens with the impending journey for Lori, whose case has grabbed headlines and chilled the public to the bone. Governor Brad Little's signing of the executive agreement to extradite Lori raises the question once more – is she fit to stand trial?

 

 Constantine sheds light on Lori's sentencing hearing, where Lori's speech about the children and heaven struck many as a disturbing narrative spun by a deluded mind. "I think she believes wholeheartedly the tale that she's spinning," Constantine says. According to her, Lori's demeanor suggested a deep-seated conviction in her own narrative, indicative of a cult-like belief system.

 

 The conversation turns darker as the experts ponder whether Lori possesses any guilt or shame for her actions. "She thinks that what she did was right," Constantine reveals, a chilling insight into Lori's psyche. This poses a profound question for the legal system: does it make sense to try someone who may never recognize their guilt or feel the weight of their actions?

 

 The hosts discuss the nature of justice and what it means for the victims' families. The re-traumatization of these families becomes a central concern, weighed against the perceived futility of expecting any form of remorse from Lori. Brueski reflects, "Does it make sense, though, to re-traumatize oneself again, having to go through all of this with someone who is never going to admit their guilt?"

 

 As the conversation unfolds, Constantine touches upon the nature of evil. She expresses a rare but firm belief that some individuals are just "plain evil," a concept difficult for many to grasp. The discussion extends into the philosophical as they consider the existence of evil as an inherent part of human nature. This brings into question the expectations society might hold for Lori to one day feel empathy for her actions – an expectation that Constantine finds implausible.

 

 The expert’s analysis of Lori’s mental state draws a distinction between mental illness and pure malevolence, suggesting that Lori's actions were not the product of insanity but of an intrinsic evil. Constantine’s perspective challenges the narrative that mental illness is always at the root of such crimes, "She's got mental illness, but I think that she's just plain evil."

 

 As they delve into the future of Lori's legal battles, the hosts of "Hidden Killers" ponder the effectiveness of the justice system in dealing with such an individual. The trial, the pursuit of justice, the hope for remorse – all become questionable in the face of what Constantine describes as a lack of common ground between light and darkness.

 

 In closing, the podcast leaves its audience with a haunting consideration. Is expecting someone who is "doomed" to change a futile hope? Does the quest for justice end at punishment, or is there a deeper need for the perpetrator to acknowledge their crimes and show repentance? With the case of Lori Vallow Daybell, society may have to confront the uncomfortable possibility that some individuals may be beyond the emotional reach of remorse and guilt – a troubling thought that challenges our very understanding of justice and human nature.

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