It's tempting to think suffering should be avoided at all costs, but moral suffering has its own distinct standing. It signals a moral conscience. Every day people consume real time violence, grief, war and genocide through screens and experience moral upending. Without a moral compass there’s no motivation to address necessary issues.

Guests in this episode:

Cynda Rushton is a nurse and a professor of nursing and bioethics at Johns Hopkins University.

Robert Meagher is an emeritus professor at Hampshire College in Amherst, Massachusetts.

Thea Lim is a novelist, culture writer, and creative writing teacher in Toronto.