The conversation with Michael Graham, co-author of the book 'The Great DeChurching,' explores the effects of the book on Christian culture and churches. The book challenges prevailing narratives about why people have left the church and highlights the pragmatic reasons behind dechurching. The conversation emphasizes the importance of relational risk and the need for alignment between individual Christians and church institutions. It also discusses the role of institutions in mitigating anxiety and shaping individuals. The profile of a church plant in this moment should embody a non-anxious presence, curiosity, and a focus on relational engagement. They explore the importance of embodying a gospel that is true, good, and beautiful in the context of different church profiles. It emphasizes the need for churches to communicate the shape of truth, goodness, and beauty within their institutions. The discussion also highlights the importance of building healthy churches that people want to invite their friends to. The conversation touches on the six-way fracturing of evangelicalism and the need for repentance, reform, and renewal. It concludes with a discussion on the impact of the internet and the importance of being mindful of our digital observations and information diets

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