Mustafa Suleyman, co-founder of DeepMind and now co-founder and CEO of Inflection AI, joins Sarah and Elad to discuss how his interests in counseling, conflict resolution, and intelligence led him to start an AI lab that pioneered deep reinforcement learning, lead applied AI and policy efforts at Google, and more recently found Inflection and launch Pi.

Mustafa offers insights on the changing structure of the web, the pressure Google faces in the age of AI personalization, predictions for model architectures, how to measure emotional intelligence in AIs, and the thinking behind Pi: the AI companion that knows you, is aligned to your interests, and provides companionship.

Sarah and Elad also discuss Mustafa’s upcoming book, The Coming Wave (release September 12, 2023), which examines the political ramifications of AI and digital biology revolutions.

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Show Notes:

[00:06] - From Conflict Resolution to AI Pioneering

[10:36] - Defining Intelligence

[15:32] - DeepMind's Journey and Breakthroughs

[24:45] - The Future of Personal AI Companionship

[33:22] - AI and the Future of Personalized Content

[41:49] - The Launch of Pi

[51:12] - Mustafa’s New Book The Coming Wave