This week, host June Thomas talks to Oliver Burkeman, author of the book Four Thousand Weeks: Time Management for Mortals. In the interview, Oliver shares his philosophy of time management, which hinges on the finite nature of life. He also discusses his previous experience as a “productivity geek” and explains some of the dangers of obsessive time management. 

After the interview, June and co-host Isaac Butler discuss their own approaches to organization and productivity. 

In the exclusive Slate Plus segment, Oliver talks about the benefits (and drawbacks) of group activities. 

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