Today, we have a special episode for you. The Code Conference wrapped up this week, and the finale included a rare interview from my Code co-host and CNBC correspondent Julia Boorstin with X CEO Linda Yaccarino. To say the sit-down with Elon Musk’s No. 2 was confrontational would be an understatement. 

Yaccarino appeared both unprepared to answer tough questions and very combative, especially when asked about comments from former trust and safety head Yoel Roth, who’s become an outspoken critic of the direction of the company since Elon took over. Roth spoke onstage at Code with Kara Swisher just an hour before, where he warned Yaccarino of the risks of the job and spoke about the extreme harassment he’s faced since leaving the company. 

Yaccarino also gave us some updated stats on X user metrics and claimed the company would turn a profit in 2024. And of course, there were some very terse exchanges concerning whether Elon really plans to start charging a subscription fee to use the platform, if he seriously plans to sue the Anti-Defamation League, and the company’s recent cuts to its election integrity team. It’s a jaw-dropping interview, and you really have to listen to the whole thing.


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Today’s episode was produced by Kate Cox and Nick Statt. It was edited by Callie Wright. 
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X CEO Linda Yaccarino defends Elon Musk, and herself, at Code 2023

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A lot has changed since the last time Ola was on Decoder. Back then, he said Mercedes would have an all-EV lineup by 2030 — a promise a whole lot of car companies, including Mercedes, have now had to soften or walk back. But he doesn't see that as a setback at all, and he and Mercedes are both still committed to phasing out gas in the long run.

We also spent some time talking about what's happening both on the outside of cars — Mercedes' classic look and its EV look aren't necessarily quite in the same place — and on the inside of them, as infotainment becomes a huge point of competition and design.

Links: 

How Mercedes-Benz CEO Ola Källenius is refocusing for an electric future - The Verge

Mercedes-Benz opens its first 400kW EV charging station in the US - The Verge

Mercedes-Benz is the first German automaker to adopt Tesla’s EV charging connector - The Verge

Is the metaverse going to suck? A conversation with Matthew Ball - The Verge

The Mercedes G-Wagen, the ultimate off-road status symbol, goes electric - The Verge

Mercedes workers file federal charges with NLRB to stop union busting - The Alabama Political Reporter

The MBUX Hyperscreen - Mercedes-Benz USA



Transcript:
https://www.theverge.com/e/23904592


Credits:
Decoder is a production of The Verge, and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.
Today’s episode was produced by Kate Cox and Nick Statt and was edited by Callie Wright.
The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder.

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Mercedes-Benz CEO Ola Källenius explains why EVs are still the future — but Apple's next-gen CarPlay isn't

Today, we’re talking about the brand-new TikTok ban — and how years of Congressional inaction on a federal privacy law helped lead us to this moment of apparent national panic about algorithmic social media.

This is a thorny discussion, and to help break it all down, I invited Verge senior policy reporter Lauren Feiner on the show. Lauren has been closely covering efforts to ban TikTok for years now, and she’s also watched Congress fail to pass meaningful privacy regulation for even longer. We’ll go over how we got here, what this means for both TikTok and efforts to pass new privacy legislation, and what might happen next. 

Links: 

Biden signs TikTok ‘ban’ bill into law — The Verge


TikTok ban: all the news on attempts to ban the video platform — The Verge


Anyone want to buy TikTok? — Vergecast


Congress takes on TikTok, privacy, and AI — Vergecast


Tiktok vows to fight 'unconstitutional' US ban — BBC


‘Thunder Run’: Behind lawmakers’ secretive push to pass the TikTok bill — NYT


On TikTok, resignation and frustration after potential ban of app — NYT


Lawmakers unveil new bipartisan digital privacy bill after years of impasse — The Verge


A real privacy law? House lawmakers are optimistic this time — The Verge


Congress is trying to stop discriminatory algorithms again — The Verge



Credits: 
Decoder is a production of The Verge, and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.
Today’s episode was produced by Kate Cox and Nick Statt and was edited by Callie Wright. Our supervising producer is Liam James.
The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder.
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Why the TikTok ban won't solve the US's online privacy problems

Today, I’m talking to Jason Citron, the co-founder and CEO of Discord, the gaming-focused voice and chat app. You might think Discord is just something Slack for gamers, but over time, it has become much more important than that. For a growing mix of mostly young, very online users steeped in gaming culture, fandom, and other niche communities, Discord is fast becoming the hub to their entire online lives. A lot of what we think of as internet culture is happening on Discord.

In many ways Discord represents a significant shift away from what we now consider traditional social platforms. As you’ll hear Jason describe it, Discord is a place where you talk and hangout with your friends over shared common interests, whether that’s video games, the AI bot Midjourney, or maybe your favorite anime series. It is a very different kind of interface for the internet, but that comes with serious challenges, especially around child safety and moderation. 
Links: 


Discord opens up to games and apps embedded in its chat app — The Verge


Discord is nuking Nintendo Switch emulator devs and their entire servers — The Verge


Inside Discord’s reform movement for banned users — The Verge


Discord ends deal talks with Microsoft — WSJ


Discord cuts 17% of workers in latest tech layoffs — NYT


Discord to start showing ads for gamers to boost revenue — WSJ


Discord says it intentionally does not encrypt user messages — CNN


How Discord became a social hub for young people — NYT


‘Problematic pockets’: How Discord became a home for extremists — WashPo


Discord CEO Jason Citron on AI, Midjourney — Bloomberg




Transcript: https://www.theverge.com/e/23898955

Credits: 
Decoder is a production of The Verge, and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

Today’s episode was produced by Nick Statt and was edited by Callie Wright. Our supervising producer is Liam James.
The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder.
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Discord CEO Jason Citron makes the case for a smaller, more private internet

Today, we're talking about Disney, the massive activist investor revolt it just fought off, and what happens next in the world of streaming. Because what happens to Disney really tells us a lot about what's happening in the entire world of entertainment. Earlier this month, Disney survived an attempted board takeover from businessman Nelson Peltz. While investors ultimately sided with Disney and CEO Bob Iger, the boardroom showdown made something very clear: Disney needs to figure out streaming and get its creative direction back on track. 

To help me figure all this out, I brought on my friend Julia Alexander, who is VP of Strategy at Parrot Analytics, a Puck News contributor, and most importantly, a former Verge reporter. She's a leading expert on all things Disney, and I always learn something important about the state of the entertainment business when I talk to her. 
Links: 

The Story of Disney+ — Puck News


​​Disney’s CEO drama explained, with Julia Alexander — Decoder


Is streaming just becoming cable again? Julia Alexander thinks so — Decoder


Disney Fends Off Activist Investor for Second Time in 2 Years — NYT


For Disney, streaming losses and TV’s decline are a one-two punch — NYT


Disney’s ABC, ESPN weakness adds pressure to make streaming profitable — WSJ


Disney reportedly wants to bring always-on channels to Disney Plus — The Verge


The Disney Plus-Hulu merger is way more than a streaming bundle — The Verge


Disney’s laying off 7,000 as streaming boom comes to an end — The Verge


The last few years really scared Disney — Screen Rant



Credits: 
Decoder is a production of The Verge, and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.
Today’s episode was produced by Nick Statt and was edited by Callie Wright. Our supervising producer is Liam James.
The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder.
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Disney just fought off a shareholder revolt — but the clock’s still ticking

At the absolute most basic, Dropbox is cloud storage for your stuff — but that puts it at the nexus of a huge number of today’s biggest challenges in tech. As the company that helps you organize your stuff in the cloud itself goes all remote, how do we even deal with the concept of “your stuff?”

Today I’m talking with Dropbox CEO Drew Houston about those big picture ideas — and why he thinks generative AI really will be transformative for everyone eventually, even if it isn’t yet now.

Links: 

Dropbox AI and Dash make it easier to find your files from all over the web | The Verge

Kids who grew up with search engines could change STEM forever | The Verge

No, Dropbox's cafeteria didn't get a Michelin star | VentureBeat

It's official: San Francisco's office vacancy rate just set a record | San Francisco Examiner

Jeff Bezos: This is the 'smartest thing we ever did' at Amazon | CNBC

Dropbox is laying off 500 people and pivoting to AI | The Verge

Congress bans staff use of Microsoft's AI Copilot | Axios


Transcript: https://www.theverge.com/e/23892647

Credits:
Decoder is a production of The Verge, and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.
Today’s episode was produced by Kate Cox and Nick Statt and was edited by Callie Wright.
The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder.
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X CEO Linda Yaccarino defends Elon Musk, and herself, at Code 2023

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