You're The Voice | by Efrat Fenigson

What if Bitcoin and quantum physics are pointing to the same truth? At BTC Prague, Efrat Fenigson sits down with Jeff Booth for a fireside chat that goes beyond economics and into the fabric of reality itself: consciousness, energy, spirituality, and the quantum nature of existence. This is a rare opportunity to explore how the deepest questions about who we are intersect with the world we are building.

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Jeff Booth on X: https://x.com/JeffBooth Jeff Booth on Nostr: https://tinyurl.com/6dpdv7ff BTC Prague on X: https://x.com/BTCPrague 

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Charlene Fadirepo is a former Federal Reserve regulator turned Bitcoin strategist, Author and Consultant. After a decade in banking and consulting, she arrived at Bitcoin through a decades-long search for a financial system without bias. She co-authored “Bitcoin and the American Dream” alongside Jimmy Song, took that work to Capitol Hill, and later wrote “The Bitcoin Leap”, about bitcoin grassroots adoption in Africa. She is also the founder of Satoshi Sister Circle, a leadership and career network for African and African diaspora women. In this conversation, Charlene walks through what she witnessed inside the Fed, why she sees CBDCs as unambiguous surveillance tools and what she thinks about stablecoins,  as well as why Africa doesn't need Bitcoin, Bitcoin needs Africa.

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– LINKS –

Charlene on X: https://x.com/CharFadirepo  

Charlene on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/charlenefadirepo/ 

The Bitcoin Leap Book: https://tinyurl.com/ynd4z3fv 

Satoshi Sister Circle on X: https://x.com/Satsistercircle 

Efrat’s X: https://twitter.com/efenigson

Efrat’s Channels: https://linktr.ee/efenigson

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– CHAPTERS – 

00:00 - Coming Up...

01:34 - Introduction: Charlene Fadirepo

02:55 - From Wall Street to the Federal Reserve: Disillusionment

09:26 - Ad Break: Ledn, Trezor & Abundant Mines

12:23 - Finding Bitcoin: Rules Without Rulers

18:11 - The Problem With Trust-Based Financial Systems

20:52 - Inside the Fed: What It's Really Like

22:42 - Should The Fed & Centralized Planning Co-Exist With Bitcoin?

24:37 - Bitcoin Treasury Strategy: How to Pitch the Boardroom

30:02 - US vs. EU Regulation: MiCA, the Genius & Clarity Acts

35:15 - KYC, the Travel Rule & the Original Promise of Bitcoin

38:18 - CBDCs, Stablecoins & the Surveillance Question

45:24 - "The Bitcoin Leap": Africa as Bitcoin's Greatest Proof of Concept

52:59 - Building Satoshi Sister Circle

59:51 - What Gives Charlene Hope

Win Ko Ko Aung was born in Burma (Myanmar) in 1993 and grew up under military rule, shaped by a country still reeling from the 1987 overnight demonetization that wiped out his parents' generation's savings. A tech entrepreneur and youth educator, he entered the Bitcoin space in 2019 as a way to preserve economic energy in a country with few reliable financial options. When the 2021 military coup froze the bank accounts of activists and democracy supporters, including his own, his Bitcoin holdings remained untouchable and became his lifeline out of the country. He crossed the jungle from Burma into Thailand without a passport, eventually reaching the United States as a political refugee. Today he works at the Human Rights Foundation, where he has taken part in educating over 1,400 activists and journalists worldwide on Bitcoin, financial freedom, and privacy tools. Win shares how financial oppression operates as a weapon of authoritarian control and why Bitcoin is the most important human rights technology of the 21st century. 

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– LINKS –

Win on X: https://x.com/wkkaung 

Win on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/winkokoaung/ Win on Nostr: https://tinyurl.com/5n6ttws9 HRF’S website: https://hrf.org/ 

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– CHAPTERS – 

00:00 - Coming Up...

01:28 - Introduction: Win Ko Ko Aung

04:25 - The 1987 Overnight Destructive Demonetization 

09:10 - The 2021 Military Coup and Frozen Bank Accounts

11:10 - Bitcoin as Economic Lifeline

16:05 - Escaping Burma: Crossing the Jungle into Thailand

16:25 - Ad-Break: Ledn, Trezor & Abundant Mines

19:20 - Arriving in America and Joining the HRF

27:31 - What Win Teaches Activists and Journalists 

30:16 - CBDCs: What People in Free Countries Should Do

34:09 - Bitcoin Is a Peaceful Revolution

Terence Michael is a Hollywood TV producer, storyteller, and Bitcoin educator known for his cinematic, analogy-driven videos,  and he co-hosts the daily show on X - "Bitcoin Today". When Covid shuttered his Airbnb properties and production work, Terence pivoted decisively into Bitcoin, eventually selling around twenty properties to go all-in. That journey gave him the material for his book Proof of Money, which argues that humanity has never actually had real money until now. We walk through his Vegas 2026 keynote "The Bitcoin Hero's Journey," the Hollywood storytelling framework he uses to map Bitcoiner's transformation, and why he believes Bitcoin is not a hedge or an alternative but an upgrade to everything.

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– LINKS –

Terence on X: https://x.com/ProofOfMoney

Terence on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/produceyourself/ 

The Bitcoin Hero’s Journey Keynote: https://tinyurl.com/ync24kfw

Proof of Money Book: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0C2RM94BB 

Efrat’s X: https://twitter.com/efenigson

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– CHAPTERS – 

00:00 - Coming Up... 

01:24 - Introduction: Terence Michael 

04:02 - His Content Creation Process & Storytelling 

07:20 - The "Bitcoin Today" Show 

12:48 - "The Bitcoin Hero's Journey" Keynote 

15:32 - Ad-Break: Ledn, Trezor & Abundant Mines 

18:23 - The 12 Stages: Walking Through the Hero's Journey 

32:08 - From Hollywood & Real Estate: Terence's Journey 

36:18 - Cash Flow & Liquidity Challenges 

39:30 - Proof of Money: The Book, the Thesis, the Audience 

43:28 - Are We Still Free? CBDCs, Surveillance & Health 

48:11 - Where to Follow Terence

Mauricio Di Bartolomeo is the Co-founder of Ledn, the leader in Bitcoin-backed lending. He grew up in Venezuela, living through the early tremors of what would become one of the most dramatic monetary collapses in modern history, before coming to Canada in 2003. His front-row seat to hyperinflation under Chavez and Maduro shaped a deeply practical understanding of how money, debt, and institutional trust actually function, and gave him the conviction to build Ledn, which has issued over $10 billion in loans since 2018 and holds an estimated 30% market share in consumer Bitcoin-backed lending globally. We cover what hyperinflation actually feels like from the inside, why the wealthy borrow while everyone else is told to save, the philosophical debate over whether Bitcoin-backed debt is morally sound, and what the recent seismic shifts in Venezuela's political landscape mean for an oppressed country. 

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Mauricio on X: https://twitter.com/cryptonomista More about Ledn: https://ledn.io/Efrat

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00:00 - Coming Up...

01:24 - Introduction: Mauricio Di Bartolomeo

03:28 - The First Bitcoin Asset-backed securities (ABS) Bond

07:26 - Institutional Appetite: S&P Ratings & the ABS Market

10:25 - How Bitcoin-Backed Loans Work: Risk, Liquidation & Trust

14:15 - Ad Break: Ledn, Trezor & Abundant Mines

17:10 - Debt as a Tool: The Bitcoin-Backed Loan Philosophy

19:48 - Venezuela & Chavez: Growing Up With Inflation

21:34 - Inflation vs. Hyperinflation: Two Different Phenomena

29:20 - Surviving Hyperinflation: Your Second Job Is Converting Your Paycheck

31:29 - Shorting Fiat: How the Wealthy Use Debt to Build Wealth

39:18 - Debt and Bitcoin

43:21 - Venezuela: Frozen in Time

44:55 - Signs of Hope: What Changed on January 3rd

48:30 - Bitcoin 2026: Conference Outlook

Paul Keating is building freedom tech with Primal, a Nostr client that puts digital sovereignty back in users' hands. Based in Costa Rica, Paul lives entirely on a Bitcoin standard as part of Bitcoin Jungle, one of the most vibrant circular Bitcoin economies in the world. A surfer, new father, and tireless advocate for freedom-first technology, Paul joined me at Bitcoin 2026 in Las Vegas for a conversation that has been a long time coming. We covered what a truly sovereign life looks like day to day, how Bitcoin and Nostr function as nature's response to broken money and broken social media, the open protocol future Primal is building toward, and the upcoming Bitcoin Jungle documentary - Hummingbird.

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– LINKS –

Paul on Nostr/Primal: https://primal.net/paul 

Paul on X: https://x.com/thepaulosophy 

Paul on IG: https://www.instagram.com/paulinthejungle/ 

Hummingbird Movie: https://indeehub.studio/film/hummingbird 

Efrat’s X: https://twitter.com/efenigson

Efrat’s Channels: https://linktr.ee/efenigson

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– CHAPTERS – 

00:00 - Coming Up...

01:23 - Introduction to Paul Keating

03:18 - Life in Bitcoin Jungle: Costa Rica, Family & Surfing

06:32 - Building a Bitcoin Circular Economy

10:14 - Ad-Break: Ledn & Trezor

11:54 - Bitcoin Jungle App: Lightning, Off-Ramps & Self-Custody

14:31 - Nostr: Why Should You Care?

18:06 - Inside Primal: Vision, Features & the Open Protocol

22:30 - Censorship Is Structural: Platforms, Telegram & Efrat's Story

27:29 - Digital Health: Balancing Analog Life with Digital Tech

33:31 - Ad-Break: Abundant Mines

34:52 - Sovereign Living: Community & Network States

38:23 - Hummingbird: The Bitcoin Jungle Documentary

Janice McAfee, the widow of tech and privacy legend John McAfee, opens up about what really happened around his mysterious death. Together they spent nine years navigating an extraordinary life at the intersection of freedom, surveillance, and survival, and traveled through the Bahamas, Cuba, the Dominican Republic, and Spain as U.S. authorities pressed for extradition on tax and SEC-related charges. When John was detained in Spain in October 2020 on an Interpol red notice, Janice remained in the country throughout his nine months of imprisonment. She learned of his death in June 2021 through a Twitter DM, before any official message. Three years of legal battles followed before she received his body, and the questions surrounding his death never left her. Now channeling John's mission through the AIntivirus Project for privacy tools, she  explains why carrying on this fight is the only way to honor what he stood for.

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– LINKS –

Janice’s X: https://x.com/theemrsmcafee 

AIntivirus’ Website: https://www.aintivirus.ai/ 

Efrat’s X: https://twitter.com/efenigson

Efrat’s Channels: https://linktr.ee/efenigson

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– CHAPTERS – 

00:00 - Coming Up...

01:40 - Introduction to Janice McAfee

02:49 - Life on the Run with John McAfee: Bahamas, Cuba & Spain

07:49 - John Behind Bars in Spain & His Paranoia

12:32 - Ad-Break: Ledn & Trezor

14:08 - Last Court Date & Final Phone Call

18:45 - Finding Out Through a Twitter DM

21:10 - Question Marks Around John's Death

26:45 - "Is John Still Alive?" - Janice's Answer

29:33 - Carrying His Legacy: AIntivirus Project, Redemption & Purpose

33:16 - Ad-Break: Abundant Mines

35:23 - Keonne, Bitcoin Prisoners & the Fight for Sovereignty

40:33 - Janice & John's Mission & Legacy

Lyn Ulbricht is Ross Ulbricht’s mother. Ross was the founder of Silk Road, who received a double life sentence plus 40 years without parole before being granted an unconditional pardon by President Trump after nearly 12 years of incarceration. Rather than stepping back after that hard-won victory, Lyn channeled her experience, platform, and network into founding MACS (Mothers Against Cruel Sentencing), a nonprofit dedicated to exposing the reality of excessive sentencing inside the U.S. justice system. At the Bitcoin Vegas Conference 2026, she joined me to share what it was like when Trump personally called to announce the pardon, how Ross is adjusting to life on the outside, why she sees Bitcoin colleagues still behind bars as prisoner of war  from a war declared over, and why the fight for justice is far from finished.

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– LINKS –

Lyn on X: https://x.com/lyn_ulbricht 

MACS (Mothers Against Cruel Sentencing): https://mothersagainstcruelsentencing.org/ 

Efrat’s X: https://twitter.com/efenigson

Efrat’s Channels: https://linktr.ee/efenigson

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– CHAPTERS – 

00:00 - Coming Up…

01:12 - Introduction to Lyn Ulbricht

03:55 - Bitcoin POWs: The War on Crypto Is Not Over

06:37 - The Day Trump Called: Ross's Pardon

10:34 - Founding MACS: Mothers Against Cruel Sentencing10:59 - Ad Break: Ledn & Trezor

12:34 - Ross After Prison: Freedom & Healing

15:12 - Cruel & Unusual: Ross's Sentence & the 8th Amendment

17:53 - What’s MACS (Mothers Against Cruel Sentencing)

22:12 - Beyond Ross: Sentencing Injustice Across America

27:43 - The Prison Industrial Complex: Who Profits from Incarceration

30:48 - Ad Break: Abundant Mines

32:09 - Prisoners Prefer Torture Over Time in Prison

35:21 - Crypto Prisoners & Prison Reform

36:35 -Hope Comes From Faith, Miracles & Not Giving Up

39:30 - Where to Follow Lyn 

Hakeem Anwar is a software engineer with over 20 years in tech, and the founder and CEO of Above Phone, a conscious technology company building open source phones, laptops, and software services that free people from reliance on Big Tech. After years of building web and mobile apps for large corporations, he walked away from corporate life during Covid. He also runs Take Back Our Tech, a weekly show covering the biggest stories in tech - always with solutions. Hakeem has done extensive research into the global digital ID rollout, co-authoring the "Life Under Digital ID" report, which maps how 90% of countries already have operational digital ID or will within three years. In this conversation, we discuss global standards enabling biometric interoperability across borders, why "voluntary" always becomes mandatory, and Hakeem demonstrates the Above Phone on screen, making the case for why the window to migrate to open protocols is closing faster than most people realize.

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→ Be good to your eyes & health, and get the Daylight tablet - a healthier, more human-friendly computer, zero blue light & flicker. Use code EFRAT for $25 off: https://bit.ly/Efrat_daylight 

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– LINKS –

Hakeem on X: https://x.com/takebackourtech Hakeem’s Substack: https://tbot.substack.com/ 

Take Back Our Tech’s Website: https://takebackourtech.org/ 

Digital ID report: https://abovephone.com/digital 

Efrat’s X: https://twitter.com/efenigson

Efrat’s Channels: https://linktr.ee/efenigson

Watch on all platforms: https://linktr.ee/yourethevoice

Support Efrat’s work: ⁠https://bit.ly/zap_efrat

– CHAPTERS – 

00:00 - Coming Up...

01:23 - Introduction to Hakeem Anwar

07:23 - "Life Under Digital ID" Report: 90% of Countries Already In

16:24 - Global Standards Making It Interoperable

19:36 - Ad-Break: Ledn & Trezor

21:16 - Biometric Tracking, Digital Opt-Out & the 2027 Window

30:48 - Above Phone: What It Is and Why It Matters

37:15 - Private Messaging: Signal, XMPP & the Funding Problem

40:34 - Ad-Break: Abundant Mines

41:56 - Decentralized Protocols & the Open Internet

47:55 - Above Phone Mission & Features

58:50 - GrapheneOS x Motorola & Age Verification Laws

1:08:16 - Nostr: Self-Sovereign Identity as Antidote to State Digital ID

1:17:09 - Where to Follow Hakeem

​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​NOTE: Donations are critical to help in this battle. Please donate & sign petition here: https://billandkeonne.org/

Lauren Rodriguez is the wife of Keonne Rodriguez, co-developer of Samourai Wallet, who was arrested and imprisoned by the DOJ for writing non-custodial, open-source Bitcoin privacy software. Since Keonne's arrest, Lauren has become the relentless voice of the case, speaking publicly, coordinating the community push for a presidential pardon, and keeping the story alive through media, petitions, and outreach. In this episode, recorded live at Bitcoin Conference 2026, we unpack what Samourai Wallet built, why the DOJ's prosecution hid exculpatory evidence and sets a chilling precedent for every developer & affects all protocol participants. 

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→ Join me at Europe’s largest bitcoin conference - BTC Prague, June 11-13, 2026. Code EFRAT for 10% off: http://btcprg.me/EFRAT

→ Be good to your eyes & health, and get the Daylight tablet - a healthier, more human-friendly computer, zero blue light & flicker. Use code EFRAT for $25 off: https://bit.ly/Efrat_daylight 

→ Get a second citizenship and a plan B to relocate to another country with Expat Money, leave your details for a follow up: https://expatmoney.com/efrat

→ Watch “New Totalitarian Order” conference with Prof. Mattias Desmet & Efrat - code EFRAT for 10% off: https://efenigson.gumroad.com/l/desmet_efrat

– LINKS –

Sign the petition & donate: https://billandkeonne.org/ Lauren on X: https://x.com/leamuirleyn Watch our panel from Vegas 2026: https://www.efrat.blog/p/my-most-significant-panel-ever-from 

Episode #113 with Keonne: https://www.efrat.blog/p/sentenced-for-building-freedom-samourai Efrat’s X: https://twitter.com/efenigsonEfrat’s Channels: https://linktr.ee/efenigsonWatch on all platforms: https://linktr.ee/yourethevoiceSupport Efrat’s work: ⁠https://bit.ly/zap_efrat

– CHAPTERS – 

00:00 - Coming Up...

01:36 - Introduction to Lauren Rodriguez

02:35 - Takeaways from the Panel & The Political Power of Bitcoiners

04:44 - Pardon Progress & What's Happening Behind the Scenes

07:40 - Ad Break: Ledn & Trezor

09:18 - The Night of the Arrest

12:36 - What Samourai Wallet Built & the Precedent It Sets

17:07 - Notes from the Inside: Keonne's Letters & Life in Prison

20:04 - What Keeps Lauren Going

21:10 - Ad Break: Abundant Mines

22:30 - Free Samourai: Code Is Not a Crime

25:18 - Where to Follow Lauren