Chris has undergone maybe the most important and inspiring pivot of all: kindness over "right-ness". And he lets us in on his honest self-assessment and conscious steps towards health and truth.

We talk a lot about fundamentalism, 4HIM and Bebo Norman, Chris's experience on American Idol and life after it. Then we get to the good stuff about identity and choices and why being loving is more important than being right. 

Whew. This was a good one. Check out Chris's new album, "A Modern Liturgy", at:

http://www.chrissligh.org/

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