It was so fun talking to Casey about those plans. She is a deep well and a joy to chat with.

We talk about being the only black family in an all-white school, "code-switching", and practicing the art of walking away from good things. We also discuss aerobic vs anaerobic energy and, and this one kills me: creative ownership vs creative stewardship.

Casey's website:

https://www.caseyjmusic.com/

And her music on Spotify:

https://open.spotify.com/artist/0B0NzcRnTARbZc83a34cDd?autoplay=true&v=A

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