What really happens behind the scenes in modern churches?In this episode of Church Disrupted, Jeff Cochran is joined by Josh Barbour from The Dad Challenge Podcast for an unfiltered conversation about what it’s like to work inside church systems that prioritize control, image, and brand over people.As two former pastors, Jeff and Josh pull back the curtain on spiritual abuse, staff silencing, leadership idolatry, and the emotional toll of ministry. From NDAs to toxic performance culture, they reveal the secrets churches don’t want talked about — and how we can respond with integrity and truth.

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Chapters:

00:00 - Intro

01:46 - Today's Guest: Josh Barbour

03:22 - From Worship Pastor to Advocating for Change

05:58 - Challenging the Church We Love

08:58 - Going to church for the Wrong Reasons

15:11 - Why Josh left the church world

28:17 - NDAs in Church

39:06 - Spiritual Abuse is a Cancer in the Church

45:00 - Follow the Money Trail

53:30 - Red Flags to Look For

59:22 - Ego & Leadership

1:05:09 - Money Questions

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