On this Out of the Loop, Jason Pack helps us understand what the conflict between Iran and Israel signifies, and where we can expect it to go from here.

Note: This episode was recorded on June 25, 2025. Given the rapidly evolving nature of the Iran–Israel conflict, please be aware that some developments may have occurred since the time of recording.

Welcome to what we're calling our "Out of the Loop" episodes, where we dig a little deeper into fascinating current events that may only register as a blip on the media's news cycle and have conversations with the people who find themselves immersed in them. Disorder podcast host Jason Pack is here to help us make sense of the recent escalation in conflict between Iran and Israel — how we got here, the dangers and opportunities of the moment, and what we need from world leadership to keep the problem contained.

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On This Episode of Out of the Loop:

• Israel launched surprise attacks on Iran's nuclear program and leadership, setting back its nuclear capabilities by months to years while demonstrating complete intelligence penetration.
• The US brokered a ceasefire between Iran and Israel, but this only addresses symptoms — the underlying regional conflicts and proxy wars remain unresolved.
• Iran announced it's accelerating its nuclear program in response to the attacks, following the "Libya lesson" that nuclear weapons provide protection from regime change.
• The current moment presents a unique opportunity for comprehensive Middle East peace due to weakened Iranian proxies and shifting regional power dynamics.
• Success requires multilateral diplomacy involving Qatar, Europe, Gulf states, and addressing root causes — not just ceasefire management but genuine conflict resolution through shared interests.
• And much more!
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