Fan-favorite David Coggins returns to the pod today to talk about his new book The Optimist, a practical guide to the art, philosophy, and rituals of fly fishing. He’s a wonderful friend and great sport, we chat about a Balthazar lunch, the guitar player from System Of A Down returning to TJ’s gym, customized tote bags, Chris’ love of procedural legal and political dramas, what CD’s to bring on a fishing trip, a recent and relevant Supreme drop, advice on picking out who’s going to read your audiobook, Patagonia the place, not the clothing company, our different definitions of a crisp white shirt, and we get to the bottom of all these celebs wearing The Cure shirts.

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