The 1000 Hours Outside Podcast

1KHO 473: Why the Imagination Still Matters | Andrew Klavan, The Kingdom of Cain


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On this unforgettable episode, international bestselling author and podcaster Andrew Klavan joins Ginny Yurich to reflect on the surprising ways imagination shapes who we are. From stick duels in the woods to secret readings of the New Testament, Klavan’s childhood was filled with the kind of quiet, reflective space that allowed his creativity—and ultimately his faith—to grow. He explains how the loss of that space in modern childhood is costing us more than we realize, and how imagination isn’t just for play—it’s a moral and spiritual training ground.

Together, they explore how beauty can rise out of darkness, how stories point us toward truth, and why the smallest unseen kindness might just echo into eternity. Whether discussing murder mysteries, motherhood, or the role of art in shaping the soul, Klavan brings deep wisdom, wit, and clarity to the conversation. This episode is a rich reminder that imagination is not a luxury—it’s a lifeline.

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