As our first guest of the new year, Loyal Listener and Patron Tyler joins us to dissect Jordan Peele’s epic horror-sci-fi-Western film from head to toe. Nope might not have made the biggest splash, but it’s a big-screen story with plenty of nail-biting tension, and we had nothing but good things to say.
And since it clocks in as one of our longest episodes ever, you might think we had a little TOO much to say. You be the judge of that as you ride along and hopefully check out the movie for yourself – on a big screen, with a killer home sound system (or at least a good pair of noise-canceling headphones, yeah?).
Big thanks to Tyler, and cheers to the new year!
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Nope (2022)
Episode 423, 2 Guys and a Chainsaw Horror Movie Review Podcast
Todd: Hello and welcome to another episode of Two Guys and a Chainsaw. I’m Todd.
Todd: And joining us today for a very special episode is Tyler. Tyler, say hello to the people.
Craig: When you say a very special episode, I feel like that implies something weird. Yeah. It’s not a very special episode.
I’m just thinking of like those very special episodes of
Craig: 80s TV shows that we used to watch. Yeah, the family ties when the uncle comes home and
Todd: it turns out he’s like guzzling vanilla extract because he’s an alcoholic, yeah, from the kitchen in the middle of the night. Yeah, I remember that.
Craig: One of Stephanie Tanner’s friends is being molested.
Oh God. That’s a very special episode. This is, this is just going to be a fun. It’s going to be fun. Well, I think it’s special. I’m excited.
Todd: I think it’s special because Tyler’s on it. Tyler has been a longtime listener of ours. Tyler, how long have you been listening to the podcast?
Tyler: Uh, let’s see, I would say since whenever you guys did Sleepaway Camp.
That’s how I found you. Oh boy. That
Todd: was ages ago. That’s how you found us. So you searched for Sleepaway Camp and our podcast came up like high in the Google list or something? How did that work?
Tyler: My relationship to media and how I consume it is, at first, I would watch a movie. And then I would immediately have to find a podcast somewhere to listen to it because I just had to get it out.
I was losing friends and family because I would talk to them incessantly about what I watched. So I needed a way to, it’s just how I needed to process stuff, especially horror films and nobody I had listened to. Had done Sleepaway camp, so I just typed in Sleepaway camp on Apple Podcasts. And you guys were the first to pop up?
Yes. Now I, you guys had like, it was more than, it was, it was more than 30 minutes and it was less than five hours. And it wasn’t your very first episode. Okay. I was like, oh, you actually have a few out there. All right, good. Let’s give it a. Sometimes I vibe, sometimes I don’t. I’ve listened to full episodes of podcasts and left them and I’ve never gone back.
Uh, you guys, I really clicked with. And I think I remember when, uh, when they’re talking about a specific uh, character, uh, the cook, um, and he does his gross line about, uh, How young they look or something. It just immediately, it’s a hard cut away from the clip that you guys shared to, I think Craig going gross.
Todd: remember that one. It’s like a row where he come from. We call them baldies, right? I’ll never forget that line. It’s so it’s one of the most. Disgusting thing. I had
Craig: managed to forget. So
Tyler: thanks. Yeah. Listeners, big, big hit for Sleepaway Camp. All of them. Watch them all. Seriously. One, two, and three.
Each one’s an amazing experience, but nothing like the first. We need to revisit that series. Yeah, I just saw two
Craig: for the first time recently. It was wild. We should definitely do it on the show at some point because it’s, it’s crazy. It feels hell man, we’re off track already and that’s fine, but it feels like a totally different thing than the first one,
Tyler: but they keep the vibe.
They never stray from the formula that constructs the film into a, almost a religious way that if you’re in number three. And you crack a smile once. I don’t give a crap if you hate them all. You’re a fan. Sorry. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I get it. Yeah, yeah.
Tyler: Shut up and enjoy it. That’s true.
That’s true. You managed to. I hate people. Who poke fun too much and never realize, ah, crap. This is the 15 millionth time I’ve talked about how much this movie sucks. Oh, shit. I
Todd: kind of like that. I must, I must actually like it to a certain degree, right?
Craig: It’s kind of ironic that we’re talking about that franchise, which is so silly.
When I feel like the movie that we’re actually here to talk about today, it’s, I don’t want to be like, it’s so serious. It’s not so serious, but it just has such a different tone. I think of Jordan Peele. And the first thing that I think is, I know that this is going to be good because this guy is a skilled filmmaker.
Like I don’t need to know what the story is. It doesn’t even matter. Like I know that I’m going to get something good. So I’m in for it. I do have to admit that this is not my favorite of his movies. We’re doing 2022’s Nope. I think it’s great, and, and watching it again, Tyler, you had said that you saw this in the theater, is that right?
Tyler: One of the best theater experiences of my life. I could believe that.
Craig: I saw it in the theater too, and I think if you’re going to truly appreciate this movie the way that it was intended, You have to see it in the theater. I don’t think that you can get the experience of it at home guys. I got it last night.
Tyler: Uh, I got it last night, Craig. So, uh, disagree. It definitely helps. Whoa. It definitely helps. And if you need to be lucky and have like five people in the theater. That are act I think are all secretly Jordan Peele fans. Um. Cause they were very quiet and polite. And I forgot they were all there for about 75 percent of the film.
Only when, you know, it was appropriate to laugh. Cause I laughed a lot as well. Sure. But like, when it was tense, I could feel my heart. In my throat, like I forgot I was on a seat for a little bit. I had to like keep shifting to remember I was sitting to this day. Only space odyssey gave me tingles like that.
That’s. Like one of my top five of all time, but only odyssey ever gave me like chills like that And i’ve never seen that in theaters. So
Todd: guys, I I didn’t know a thing about this before Uh, I I just knew it was a jordan peele movie, but I didn’t even know the what the premise was supposed to be I mean, I think I was in china when the previews were showing and stuff.
I think this came out Shortly after COVID, right? He wrote it during like lockdown time, almost as a response in that he wanted to have a, like a big movie that you sort of had to go see in the theaters to really, really appreciate at this time when most people are sitting at home and not going to theaters and everybody’s discussing, will we ever go to theaters again?
And plus with streaming who would, and. Cedars were doing poorly anyway. And so like, this was kind of his idea to do this big cinematic movie that looked good on the big screen. I didn’t know anything about this stuff when I watched it and I’m halfway through this movie and now the screen I’m watching is pretty darn big.
I mean, it covers a good portion of the wall. Don’t get me wrong. And I appreciated that, but I was also like, God, this deserves to be seen with all the surround sound that you can muster. And I really was jealous of the fact that it sounds like you, you guys did that because you know, watching this, I was getting serious signs vibe, you know, M night Shyamalan and, uh, and I hear that clearly it was very inspired by that among other movies, but.
You know, obviously the, the theme of it is similar, you know, the setting is similar. But I remember when I went to see Signs in the theater, and I know everybody seems to hate Signs, or at least they hate the last ten minutes of it. I actually don’t mind it at all, I liked it as much, because I remember
Tyler: They don’t hate Signs, they hate M.
Night, and when the and when people hate and people are starting to love M. Night again now after Servants, so now people are probably going to be talking good things about Signs. Right, it’s like a love to hate
Todd: thing, right? Yeah.
Tyler: He’s too interwoven into his own material, kind of like Jordan Peele is a little bit.
Unfortunately, M. Night feeds into it. Jordan Peele just is, reacts to it.
Todd: Yeah, maybe yeah, that’s pretty fair, but I’ll tell you I get I got the same feeling like this really intense Just this intensity these moments of quiet. We’re just a slight of sound. I you know, I mean, I mean, I’m just in tune to everything that’s happening and it was just Fantastic.
I love those parts of the movie and then enough of the rest of the movie was just building a mystery slowly in like puzzle pieces that, um, even when it was kind of slow, I have to admit, I thought the first 30 minutes or so, I was like, when are we going to get to the real meat of this? I was still into it because I, you know, like I said, there were these little mysteries,
Tyler: Craig, thank you for bringing up, uh, uh, The theater experience because that makes me want to ask both of you.
How was your viewing experience last night? Like, how did, how did you recreate your viewing experience? Couch, headphones, no headphones, daylight. He was on his laptop. Yeah,
Craig: this guy. I was on my laptop. Still hasn’t figured out how to plug his
Todd: computer into the TV screen. Come on, Craig.
Craig: I know how, Tyler, the thing is when Todd was still living here in the States and we would get together to watch these movies, he had a modest house, you know, very similar to the house that I live in, but he had this one room that was this, just this tiny, like extra bedroom off of the garage, but he had the biggest TV I’ve ever seen in my life.
It was a projector. Yeah. Was it?
Todd: Hell yeah. It was just a huge, you couldn’t get TVs that big back then. Yeah.
Craig: And so we would sit back there in the dark on this janky little like dorm room couch, eating pizza and drinking beer and watching these movies with surround sound in this room. Like I swear that room was probably like 12 by 12.
Like it was a tiny little room.
Craig: how we used to do stuff. I don’t have, I mean, I’ve got a reasonable size TV in my, my room. But I, I usually am hanging out in my living room and, uh, yeah, I’ve got a TV in my living room, but if I were to put it on the TV, I’m sitting far enough away that I can see better if I just have my laptop right in front of me.
The downside of it is, yeah, I put in earbuds and I, I, that always helps because I appreciate getting the full soundscape, but also, yes, I watched it in the daytime and it was a very, very different experience because there are some. Scenes that you just cannot see what’s happening if you’re watching the scenes where you can
Tyler: see what’s happening during the daylight You’re missing some of the lavish beauty and the stark difference if you’re in a dark Surrounding area and guy listeners.
I mean just wait till night and turn off all the lights in your room Like you don’t need a theater level unless you have a home Built theater. Yeah. Like you’re a, you are rich enough that you can do that. No surround system, surround sound system or soundbar is going to match what you could get in a theater.
It’s just, you’re never gonna be able to recreate it. Correct. You need to literally have a gymnasium sized room to get that level of acoustics. The only way you can recreate it. Is over the head, noise cancellation, really good headphones and turn off all the lights, agree to immerse yourself,
Craig: especially turn off all the lights because the, um, seeing it in the theater the first time, this is okay.
It’s a big mystery. Well, we can talk about it. I don’t know how detailed we want to get into the plot, but there’s a thing, some phenomenon going on. They, they. initially think it’s maybe a spaceship. And so maybe there’s aliens. Okay. All right. So whatever. And they’re on this horse ranch. One of the scenes that I remember, Tyler, you had talked about, you know, your heart racing.
One of the most frightening scenes to me in the theater was when the main character, OJ played by Daniel Kaluuya, hears something. In the stables and then goes out to investigate it. And knowing nothing about this movie, God, I feel like I have so much to say. And Todd, you said several things that I wanted to respond to.
You said you had no idea going into it. What was about, I didn’t really either. They were super coy about it. The trailers didn’t show much. You didn’t really know what it was about going into it. But at this point, you know, we had kind of seen something moving in the clouds and you know, your instinct is okay.
It looks like a spaceship to me. So you’re expecting aliens. And then in this scene, in the, these dark stables, these little aliens just start to, like. Slowly, slowly, slowly appear. That one image in particular where the camera just focuses still on a shot where there’s like a post right in the middle of it and it stays there for so long with nothing happening.
And of course the score is trying to freak you out too, but then the alien head doesn’t pop out. It slowly, slowly, slowly reveals itself from behind.
Tyler: terrified because it’s making you think you’re in a different alien movie. Yeah. Because everyone knew just if you saw the title on the cover, but this is a sci fi film.
Western sci fi. Western. I
Craig: knew Western more than I, I mean, I knew that there was going to be something weird going on, but I didn’t. And, you know, I watched this stuff pretty closely. You know, I was interested in this movie coming out. I was genuinely surprised by what I got. It was not what I was expecting at all.
Todd: Yeah, me too. And again, all this, all this time,
Tyler: Uh, western weird shit is what I call it. It’s one of my favorite type
Todd: of facts. Western weird shit. Like it
Tyler: is, like you get this, Todd, I don’t know, uh, how, what, if you have any experience or Greg, with the west, uh, specifically in the area where Nova 7, I think in middle of uh, California.
Todd: Nevada? Oh, you mean like, um, Area 51 and those kinds of things? Is that what you’re referring to, or?
Tyler: Yeah, like, the desert.
Tyler: American desert. My
Todd: parents live in Arizona. It is in
Tyler: Oh, wow. Okay, then you understand, because like, where he lives, Jordan Peele does such a good job recreating the type of acoustics that can happen in only that type of area.
There is so little moisture that the air is very, very dense and can be very, like, like, you can get updrafts and weird Pulled all of a sudden, it can be, it can be completely silent and still. And all of a sudden, boom, you’ll be blown over by a huge gust because all the air is being pulled down around the mountains.
And sometimes it can be pulled away. You can be standing at the edge and feeling the breeze and all of a sudden silence as all the air gets pulled by like. I forget how, how it works, but like it’s a cold draft or something like that. Like all the air gets pulled out of the valley at once and he’s able to recreate that.
So it’s, it’s not just the score going away in real life. All ambient sound gets sucked away.
Craig: It’s wild. And he does a brilliant job with it. It’s it’s shot in like this desert Valley and all of the things that you just said are so true. And I just loved that they could have scenes of dialogue with people who were hundreds of yards away from each one another, yelling at each other.
You can just shout. You can just shout because there’s nothing. To block the sound. And it was so believable. Like it, to me, like those were really amusing scenes when Kiki Palmer yells to Steven Young, Jupe, uh, Hey, you don’t have to come any closer though. She is so funny. And that was such a funny and satisfying interaction.
But the fact that they could even have that interaction, I mean, he was at least a hundred yards away from her. And then they have. A whole conversation, just shouting back and forth to each other because they can, because of the environment. And it does, you know, even this mysterious threat that they don’t know what it is for a while.
It causes changes in the atmosphere. It causes. Electromagnetic changes, um, but it also causes changes like in the wind. And, and so we get those sound cues where you won’t even notice the ambient sound of nature and of wind until it drops entirely away
Craig: when it drops entirely away, you notice, and you know, some shit is about to go down.
Tyler: The sound it makes when it like when all of a sudden the score drops and you hear like a hum and right before it drops out of the clouds you hear a I interpret that as like, it’s descending so fast, but very quickly that it’s breaking the sound barrier and then stopping, showing us that it’s at a different level, that it, this is how it moves.
And at first you’re thinking, When you first see the, uh, cause what do you see? You see a flying saucer. And at first I’m like, Oh, Jordan Peele, you sly devil. You’re doing the OG flying saucer. You’re bringing it back. You’re going to do it. And
Craig: yeah, does he do it? I wanted to say too, that I think that the sound.
Department on this movie should have won every award because that stuff that we were just talking about blew me away. All right, guys. So it seems like it’s a spaceship at first, but it’s not. It’s an alien. It’s like a flying alien and it eats things. Is it an alien?
Tyler: Thank you, Todd. Yeah, like you’re, we are assuming it’s an alien.
Right. Could this have, could this have always existed?
Craig: Exactly. That’s what I was going to say. Only because we haven’t seen them before. Right. Or we don’t know about them. Well. So it’s foreign, at least to us. Uh, but just real quick, it eats people. Um, and there’s a point when it eats us. A whole bunch of people and the way that it eats them, which I’m dying to talk about, they don’t immediately die.
They’re slowly ingested and slowly digested. And so when it comes near,
Tyler: slowly digest, I think it’s mimicking
Tyler: No, I think it keeps them. Screaming. Learning that if we hear the screams of our kind, we will instinctively look towards that sound and give it what it wants. That makes sense, actually. See,
Craig: but I thought it didn’t want to be looked at!
Tyler: Well, it’s a, it’s a spectacle. That’s possible. All right. I’m sorry. I’m sorry. I’m getting a little, I’m getting really a little into it. Why I think this is obviously the least favorite of Jordan Peele’s movies. Like he was incredible with get out. We, you guys have covered it. So then it came out with us.
People liked us a little less, but the true fans championed it. And then nope came out and I would say almost fractured the fans. Um, I heard a lot of people either love it or hate it. How could anybody hate this? Like, just, just put it on and just like put it on for ASMR for God’s sakes. It’s beautiful.
Peele makes his movies on multiple levels because he’s an artist in a way that I never, he was a comedian for right. He’s known for doing goofy things. And underneath that veneer is a very, very beautiful. Very artistic soul to a level that I am not if I was to create art or make a movie, it would be very shallow.
It would not have huge levels because I don’t think like that. I can see it when I critique it. I can philosophize on it. I can talk about it on a podcast. I can’t generate it instinctively as he can say what, yeah, what he did with get out. There’s so many things about that, like so many different levels, but on the, but on the top.
It’s just a basic horror film. Top, there’s a creature in the sky and we want to catch it. Yeah. Like Jaws. Yeah. And you can look at it. But, if you want more, he gives you everything you need. The beginning quote about spectacle. I should have wrote it down. But um. I wrote it
Craig: down. I will cast abominable filth at you, make you vile, and make you a spectacle.
Craig: the Bible. That’s. From the book of Nahum. Three seven. Of. The.
Tyler: A very negative depiction on being a spectacle. Is it good to be viewed? Because a lot of times we, uh, it’s something that is a, is a Believe to be instinctively that what everybody wants, uh, everybody wants to be either maybe not watched but known That we instinctively love the idea of fame that if you put a camera on somebody immediately like oh my god I’m on TV.
This is amazing smile. Everyone sees you to be
Todd: seen figuratively and
Tyler: or yeah or being known Or be watched. Specifically, we see this happening through the pandemic, where a lot of how we viewed the world, we don’t interact with it, we viewed it through our smartphones, computers, through our car windows or our house or apartment windows, and we became spectators and turning everything, including our world.
Craig: Do you mind if I ask how old you are?
Craig: Okay. I know. So you’re, you’re a little bit younger than us, but you know, I feel like you probably remember a time, maybe, I think that you’re probably still coming from the same perspective that we are, that this wasn’t always the way of the world. Before.
Reality television before TikTok, uh, and, and YouTube and, and the internet in general. Celebrities were celebrities, and they were an elite population. The reason that this probably, and I, I feel like this is what Jordan Peele is specifically, you know, commenting on, is Today, it’s just this culture of celebrity popularity.
Like everybody, everybody has a podcast,
Todd: including these two douche bags.
Tyler: Like exactly like character. I would a hundred percent believe juke has some type of weekly podcast, YouTube channel. Something where he talks about Gordy and, uh, the TV show and stuff like that. I could imagine that as some true crime thing.
I could imagine it perfectly.
Todd: Joob’s character is so interesting because at first the opening scene of the movie is, if I’m not mistaken, This tantalizing piece of this destroyed set, this sitcom, this stage, basically, where we are on the stage.
Craig: Looks like an 80s sitcom, right?
Todd: We are on the stage in a position to be looked at, except there’s nobody in the audience and there’s a chimpanzee.
Walking about, and there’s obviously been some kind of horrible thing that happened. And some legs there, and the monkey comes across as very sinister, and then turns and looks at us. That lingers there for quite a while before we get to figure out what exactly that is, and how it relates to what we’re doing.
Craig: Don’t work with animals or children. We keep returning to that and it’s important. It’s difficult to talk about this movie because it’s so artfully crafted. It’s difficult to talk about it like sequentially, because that story really only has to do with the rest of the stuff that’s going on thematically.
Plot wise, it’s really not important, but it is important thematically. And it’s one of the most compelling. Parts of the movie, in my opinion, I am compelled by that point of view shot that we get of this chimpanzee covered in blood on its hands and clothes and mouth. You see a pair of legs. Seemingly women’s legs sticking out from behind the couch.
Like you said, it’s a studio, but the studio is totally empty. I think maybe there’s an alarm going off or something. I don’t remember. We come to find that we are seeing from the point of view of Jupe, who was a child actor and he was shooting this television show and this show could have happened. It’s not like this is fantastic.
You know, like it’s, it’s an eighties. Sitcom about a family that like adopts a chimpanzee and like, it’s hijinks, right? Like we totally would have seen this in the 80s. Sure. But with a real chimpanzee, which we totally would have done and probably still would do, they’re filming a episode about the chimpanzee’s birthday and the little girl in the.
Scene brings in this giant box and it’s a big gift and she opens it up and it’s a bunch of Mylar helium balloons and the they all float up, you know towards the ceiling and the audience applauds and but then the Mylar balloons hit the electric equipment, which was obviously I don’t know who the people were working on this show, right?
This is their fault. Um, but they start exploding and the chimpanzee goes
And violently kills everybody on set except for the boy. And then it approaches the boy and we’re watching all of this happen and like reaches out to give it a fist bump because that’s like the thing they did in the show. God, the way that this was shot, I was terrified. I was horrified that this was happening.
I felt such empathy. For that chimpanzee. And then when, you know, the boy and the chimpanzee are going to do their fist bump, the chimpanzee just gets its brains blown out right in front of the boy. You know, I had to, had to happen inches. From the boy’s face, that’s such a compelling part of the movie to me.
But again, it really doesn’t have a whole lot to do with the plot. Yes, we meet Jupe later, you know, he’s the guy that runs the Jupiter’s whatever that we’ve been talking about, and he plays a pivotal role. But that backstory is more just about thematic stuff about making spectacle and also trying to tame wild things.
Todd: Also kind of about trying to make sense of our world and and and misguided ways in which we do that because like Joop, he has clearly been traumatized by this. What Craig just said comes to us piecemeal throughout the film Before we finally get that long flashback But what we do get is you know our introduction to Joop as the head of this It’s like a little theme park a little Western theme park and they certainly have these Out in the West.
Oh yeah. You know, he’s this sort of well known child actor of this sitcom that, you know, this horrible tragedy happened, but he’s talking about how they made fun of it on Saturday Night Live, and
Clip: But of course the star of the sketch is Chris goddamn Katana Escorti, and he is undeniable, okay? Because of this.
Everyone’s trying to celebrate Gordy’s birthday, but every time Gordy hears something about the jungle, Gordy, Catan, goes off. And it’s, it’s Catan. He’s just crushing it. He is a force of nature. He is killing on that stage.
Todd: Yeah. I mean, how complicated is that, you know? Gosh, I was just, this is only 10
Tyler: He like, replaces the memory of what happened with him with that SNL skit. Yeah. Cuz every time he’s, he’s recounting it, you see like, tiny flashes of the actual thing which is, to me, going like, Oop, oop, little flash, let’s remember the SNL bit, which, by the way, I don’t know if those are real names from the SNL actors.
Yes, yes. They are? I thought they were fake names. No, Chris Kattan, yeah. I don’t recognize a single one of them.
Craig: Chris Kattan played Well, he played a monkey character where he would like, like chew on apple.
Craig: was. Yeah. Oh my God. I could picture it exactly. I was like, did this really happen? Cause it definitely could happen.
Tyler: haven’t watched a frame of, I probably have watched 25 minutes completely of SNL in my entire life. And thanks to Jordan Peele. And the actor, I was able to picture it too. Perfectly. Yeah. Oh
Craig: yeah. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Steven young. I apologize if I’m mispronouncing his last name. He’s a really, really good actor.
He doesn’t have a whole lot to do in this movie. What he does in this movie is great. Uh, I believe him, um, he, you know, is a businessman and, you know, he’s trying to provide for his family and he’s doing some kind of shady shit, but he’s trying to keep it on the up and up. Uh, I saw this guy in a TV, not TV, a streaming show called Beef.
Yes. I think it was him and Ali Wong. Yes. Holy shit, you guys. It’s not horror. Walking
Todd: Oh, yeah. He’s the most beloved character. Walking Dead was
Tyler: his breakout role. He was like 12 years old, I think, or 13, and he was Glenn. And he’s one of the first characters to join, like, the real cast. I think he’s like the first person Rick meets.
Tyler: Uh, that stays with him and he stays all the way until, honestly I forget, I don’t want to give spoilers because I can’t really remember how it goes, but he is, uh, up until late in this show, he was like the huge fan favorite.
Todd: Yeah. And mine. Yeah. Yeah. Season, he, uh, the, the, I think it’s the opening of the fifth season.
He gets it pretty bad. And that was when I stopped watching the movie, the show. And it was about the reason I stopped watching the show because I was like, you know what, this isn’t bringing me joy anymore. Like this show is just brutal. And it’s ugly. I get it. It, you know, people do terrible things to people, Lord of the Flies, blah, blah, blah.
But I don’t need to fill my entertainment.
Tyler: No, they didn’t want to pay the actors more.
Todd: Yeah. That’s probably part of it too. Well,
Tyler: no, but well, the actors wanted to leave the show. They were getting huge offers for other gigs because they’re really good. The kid in the show literally was like, I want to attend at least one year of public school before I graduate or like of like regular school before I graduate.
I want to be a kid. Just a little bit.
Todd: Yeah, but to be fair, his character
Todd: comic book too. So I mean, it was, uh, it was in keeping with the original story.
Tyler: Oh, they wanted to keep him in. They, they restructured it. That’s why the Neek and stuff was happening. They were structuring to like, the future was going to be him in the show.
I think he like effed their entire plans. This is not Walking Dead. Um, but no, Steven Yeun is awesome. I wanted to comment one thing about the Gordy. Because that’s, that’s interspersed throughout the movie, but it’s a big part of it. So I think we could talk about it all here. Um, some people say that if you excise the Gordy, all the Gordy scenes, that you really wouldn’t lose almost anything.
And I completely disagree because what I think Peele wanted to show. Was and he’s a respectful man. He could legally do this But I’m glad he didn’t and he created his own thing and then referenced what he wanted to show when Otis says Ask Siegfried and Roy.
Tyler: it all came back to me for listeners If those you don’t know Siegfried and Roy are where are are still you’re retired But
Craig: uh, but they’re still around one of them
Todd: is One of them died.
He may have yeah, you’re right. Yeah, but he didn’t die in the attack. He recovered.
Tyler: So yeah, well Siegfried and Roy were Vegas performers and they had Sasha A white Bengal tiger. It was their pet as well as their performer. They referred to it as their partner I’m glad that the documentaries that have come out since have shown that they took incredibly good care of this animal after What would you guys say?
20, like 15, 20 years of performing or something like that? Way more than that. Yeah, way longer. Like 40 years. With this tiger, like, I think there are pictures with this tiger when it was a kitten. And one day, something happened. The 750 pound Bengal tiger with claws like razors and teeth like, like nails, ripped up either Roy or Siegfried.
Like one of them was taken out in an ambulance and one of the last things that he shouted, it was recorded by so many news media, do not, I’m still the owner, do not put her down, do not kill her. Please. She is just a creature. She didn’t know what she was doing. Yeah, they even tried
Craig: to spin the story. I don’t know if this is true or not, but they tried to spin the story that he was having a medical emergency and the cat tuned into that and was actually trying to help him.
And because I, I think She got him into her mouth. Well, she picked him up by the throat and takes
Craig: And you really knows what happens. However, I would think if you are one of those guys, exactly. But I also think that if you are one of those guys, if you’re a Siegfried and Roy, you know, that, you know, that you are dealing with deadly animals.
So it doesn’t surprise me that he said that I would say the same thing. If my Rottweiler. Attacked me. It wasn’t her fault, you know, like, yeah, well,
Tyler: boxers are fighting and one kills the other because one falls and breaks their neck. We don’t throw the other boxer in jail of as a murderer because we understand there’s a contract involved.
We it’s how we are different than the rest of nature and peels movies always show that how we exist in reality. In the world, but we always set find weird and sometimes even otherworldly ways to differentiate ourselves from nature, whether it be through get out, trying to change the natural order of things by dying and eating upon others, or in us trying to hide behind Our real fears and what we could be with a better version of ourselves and what kind of legacy we built up on or in Nope, our interactions with the world and nature, those who have respect for somebody who says, Hey, tell the horse it’s we’re ready to do the take one of my favorite freaking lines said with pure sincerity.
Tell the horse we’re ready. Yeah, it’s yes
Craig: I don’t think that this this is it’s too simplistic to suggest that the ultimate message of this movie is Don’t blame Animals for doing what it is in their nature to do But I think that that’s a part of it. Like this creature, whatever it is, whether it is earthly or, or extraterrestrial, it doesn’t really matter.
It’s just surviving. Like it’s just doing its thing. And it’s only when they start to try to exploit it, that they really run into trouble. Yes. I guess what they just not noticed, like before they started, because Jupe definitely tries to exploit it. He tries to basically train it to perform. A show by feeding it horses in front of audiences, but the other folks, they’re trying to exploit it too.
They don’t care about it. They don’t care about what it is. They just want to get the Oprah shot. You know, this great shot of some extraterrestrial being that they can sell and make money off of. And I don’t blame them. I’m not passing judgment on them. I’m just saying that before it was just kind of hanging out in the clouds and eating the horse here and there.
Todd: Yeah. And Emerald, I think I would say Emerald is the one who’s pretty gung ho on that. And OJ is going along with it until he realizes it’s a creature. And, but of course, by the time they realize it’s a creature, like everything kind of goes off the table and it’s more about taking care of the surviving.
I think, you know, Jupe is the counterpoint to OJ’s character. Peele does such a good job throughout the movie of continuing to come back to the steam and hammering at home without feeling like he’s hammering at home. You know, he has that talk with his dad on the ranch and then he’s got the horse out on the set.
He can’t, you know, obviously he doesn’t keep the horse from kicking somebody because you can’t. But, you know, he can’t have eyes everywhere and that happens. And then when he’s the one to observe that this is actually a creature, because he’s so in tune, he knows as a trainer this is how they act. And so he’s kind of the best.
Whereas I feel like Joop is the antithesis of that. He’s a kid who kind of got the wrong message from that tragedy that happened. Even though he was knee deep in the middle of it, even though he saw that happen in front of him, and he’s been traumatized by it, he’s still trying to profit off of the movie, the show.
And he has this notion that he can tame it because I think probably what’s going through his head that he can’t stop wrapping his mind around is that that monkey reached out to him and wanted to give him a fist bump like I had the power you know I was the one who had the power like I was the trainer here and I could have had that under control if they you know just hadn’t blown him away you know so this is like his way of I
Todd: that he believed he
Craig: believed I think that he believed that chimpanzee didn’t hurt him because it trusted him.
Craig: that he thought that he could make the same relationship with the thing in the sky. Don’t threaten you. And if I just provide for you, then we’ve got a deal, but it’s a, whatever it is, it’s, it’s wild and you know, to a large extent, I think that that’s true. I mean, obviously you could point to circumstantial evidence of people taming wild animals.
It can be done, but you’re always taking a risk because they are wild. This one. So, okay. So they think that it’s a spaceship for a long time. Eventually it reveals itself to not be a spaceship, but to be a sentient being that stalks and hunts living things. And then ultimately in the end, it reveals that it’s not a shape shifter.
Like I can kind of understand how, what it ultimately means. reveals itself to be, could be compacted and concealed within its smaller form. I buy that. I get it. Yeah. Especially since it seems very much kind of like a sea creature.
Tyler: Uh, Greg, uh, can I ask, are you and Todd, are either you two anime fans?
No, I appreciate it, but I don’t watch it.
Todd: Yeah, I’ve not seen a lot of anime, but I do understand he was very inspired by what? Neon gel, uh, what was it?
Tyler: Neon Evangelion. Yes. I knew it. I knew it. I’m a huge fan of that. When I watch stuff in theaters, I never watch podcasts in brain. I turn my brain off and I let the director and the movie maker do the thinking for me.
If that sounds kind of like lazy, I just I want to experience it. Last night, I’m actually thinking about stuff and writing notes down. And I’m like, when it unfurls. And it does this really amazing thing when the little square box flips out and changes colors. I was like, Oh my God, it’s an angel. And I don’t mean angel, like biblical, or maybe there’s a reading there, but like, I think it’s more in design form.
It looks like one of the angels from the anime Evangelion. I would highly recommend it to you guys. It’s great for people who are not like super into anime, but want to dip their toes in. It’s like 22 episodes long and it was conceived to be a movie, but the writer had so much more to say, he was, he expanded it outward and it’s about a world that is continuously pelted.
By these extraterrestrial creatures called angels. And the only way they can beat them is bio cybernetic, gigantic transformer like suits that are operated by children because only these children can link to them. And basically it’s revealed in the show that angels are types of life. that could create.
That we are one type of version. The idea is that the world can only handle one supreme being. You can’t have multiple different types of high functioning life like we are. Otherwise we would just destroy each other. And humans, for whatever, whatever reason, we are the ones who achieved it. We went into space.
We have the ability to just literally destroy the planet. And the angels represent different forms that could have happened and are coming to show their full development. We either can destroy them or they will destroy us. So it’s two apex predators, us, or this thing. Is this extraterrestrial or has it been evolving alongside of us?
Craig: Right. And that’s fascinating. And that’s something that the movie doesn’t address and I’m fine with it. I like that this movie is local. We’re concerned with these people. What’s going on. And other places, who knows, but this is a story of these people in this very localized place. When we first see it and it looks more organic, the closest thing that I can relate it to would be like a mushroom cap, like a portobello mushroom cap with the stem taken off.
Cause it’s got a big hole in the middle and that’s apparently it’s mouth that it can, but. Also, it’s butthole that it imagine a parachute
Tyler: completely hitting the ground for the first time in the air billowing under it as it settles in waves, but keeps doing that.
Craig: It can suck up horses and people and anything at once really or anything that it can be tricked into sucking up Oh God, when it sucks
Tyler: that horse up sideways.
I jumped in the theater. I kind of jumped on my couch a little bit last night He’s like whispering like lucky come on, come on girl run and it just goes And opens its mouth and looks like jaws for one little second. I’m like and We’re no longer ruling the planet anymore You
Craig: Wild. It’s wild. It’s a good movie.
Craig: I, yeah, but that, see, see, that’s the thing. Like we don’t really know all that much about it and they’re not trying to defeat it. They just want to get a good picture of it. They just want to get video of it, but they can’t because it has like this electromagnetic thing that takes out the power and shuts down cell phones and cameras or whatever.
Eventually they get this. famous cinematographer to come in and he immediately is like, Oh yeah, it’s an alien. Okay. Oh, how I loved this, how they set up this whole thing. They lure it with loud noises, loud music and animation. They steal Kiki Palmer. It’s just a klepto and it’s like, she just steals everything.
Um, she, how the fuck did she steal that huge ass horse by herself? Right? Come on. Um,
Tyler: you answered your question at the beginning when you’re like, here’s the closest conversation you can have out there with someone. Hey! How you doing ? I, I tried to really move back from the mic. I hope that worked . It did.
Todd: It did. It sounded gorgeous,
Tyler: but no. So yeah, like she probably just pulled up next to it and had about three or four hours before some happened to walk by and got it up in there. It’s not like the city where you have, okay, I have one second. Fair enough. Like it’s, it shows the world that they live in and he, June knows that that’s his.
And I love how she does that when it’s just like My favorite line.
Clip: What’s up? We setting up a decoy! For ice training! Oh good! You know we got some of those! Where’d you get Where’d you get yours? I’m not really sure. My wife would know.
Tyler: Where’d you get yours? I can’t really recall because if he says, I got it from Dom’s on blah, blah, blah.
Yeah, Dom’s is great. Like mine? I got
Craig: it from him too. She beats him to it in that line. And that is so funny. And like, to me, that just establishes that this girl is a hustler. This is what she does, but
Tyler: it shows Western rules. Like you can’t call your neighbor out as a thief because you don’t just pack up and move out there.
They have ranches. If I don’t like you in a city, I could literally, I have moved because of neighbors. In the city, you can’t do that if you’re on a ranch. You can’t just sell and move your ranch.
Tyler: So you need to like, well, if I call him a thief, you really can’t take that back.
And I might need his generator if the power runs out. And they have a bar of stuff. Yeah. Like you. So we can’t. Turn is that I do need his effing horses for my alien thing.
Craig: The first time I saw this, it totally went over my head that Jupe was buying their horses to feed to the alien. I missed that a hundred percent.
Lucky’s okay though. Lucky makes it right. Lucky’s a lucky
Craig: Wait, wait. Yeah. Okay. All right. So it’s this. It’s like, it’s, it’s, it, I call it the butthole alien cause that’s what it looks like to me. It looks like a big butthole. It comes down and like swoops people up and like kind of grinds them up inside slowly so they can scream.
But then, is it taunting them when it goes over their house and poops all the blood and shit out? It’s
Tyler: You created. An image of my f’n food that hurt me. That’s right. And
Craig: like, what the heck? It does seem to work based on Instinct and learning because when it eats that fake horse and it f ks it up, they had also attached a line of flags to it and from that point on it’s afraid of those flags and they can use that, which is smart.
I love that whole last part where they set the whole thing up. They’re going to lure it there so that they can get the, you know, handheld not electric camera footage of it and Daniel Kaluuya has figured out Don’t look at it. If you don’t look it in the eyes, it won’t get you. And he puts blinders on his horse, but then he also, you know, wears this hoodie so that when he puts up the hood, it looks like eyes that are looking up at it.
And that can lure it. But then he throws out a parachute with all of these flags on it that scare it away. It’s so good. Like it’s, it’s so good. It’s so good. And I don’t know, I don’t know if you guys read anything about this, but Daniel Kaluuya was riding that horse. Horses isn’t easy.
Tyler: And I really want to know because it would affect your casting because you could be like, Hey, can you ride a horse?
Don’t lie on your resume actors. Because if you lie and say you can ride a horse and you show up not knowing how to ride a horse. That’s not good. Guess what? You can’t learn that overnight. No,
Craig: if they want you bad enough, they’ll teach you, but it’s, it’s not as easy as one might think. It’s not just a matter of getting up there.
Like, it requires strength and core strength and Yeah. I was impressed to know how to
Tyler: communicate with the animal. Like even the most well trained horse still requires you to be able to understand how to communicate with them. That is
Craig: so integral to the movie too, though, because he being a horse trainer does know how to work with horses and horses are fascinating.
I don’t have a ton of experience with them, but I have been around with them in my life. They are so big and they are so powerful and they are so good. Reactive one way or another, they are easily frightened. They are easily startled and they are very, very dangerous. They are magnificent animals. Like they are just pure muscle just to, to run your hands over their bodies.
They are just beautiful, powerful animals. And they’re very gentle.
Tyler: Have you ever fed, have either of you two fed a horse before? Oh, yeah.
Craig: Yes, absolutely. I fed, I’ve ridden. They’re very sweet. They’re, I jumped out of
Tyler: my skin when the guy told me when I was like 10. Now make sure you lay your palms flat.
You hold out your hand. And he’s, and I was like, oh, he’s kissing me. And the guy, the handler was like, kind of. And then he took the apple out of my hand and then he started kissing my hand again and then moved his head away. He’s like. He’s feeling for the food before he opens his teeth that could bite your fingers clean off.
I was like, ah, and I chained my, I like almost jumped away, but that’s why he was feeling your lip with his lips. It doesn’t want to hurt you.
Craig: What’s OJ’s understanding and relationship with horses, which I really do think is a very special thing. Like people who can work with those animals, they have a very special skill, but I think that that skill enables him to understand this thing, even though it’s a foreign thing, it enables him to understand it better.
And that’s what gets them through. And ultimately they trick it. Now, this is, it’s really strange at the end. You know, they’re, they’re luring it around, they’re tricking it with things, and then there’s the whole TMZ photographer part, which I enjoyed watching, but feels too boring to talk about.
It’s functional. They needed the motorcycle.
Craig: Eventually it unfurls itself out of this mushroom butthole into like I don’t know. It looks like a sea creature because it moves its movement is as though it’s moving underwater. It lives in the air.
Craig: Just as you would in the sky, we only
Tyler: assume, we assume nothing lives in the sky because we’ve never seen anything in the sky.
You look up. There ain’t nothing there. How often do you pay attention to a cloud that doesn’t move? Right. Never. And it’s gorgeous. It could be out there.
Craig: Why not? Who knows? But it unfurls into this billowy, gossamer y, billowing cloud. Kind of like a jellyfish, but it’s enormous. Like it’s enormous. It’s going to get Kiki Palmer for a minute, but then Daniel Kalua is like, no, I’ll distract it.
And he distracts it. And then Kiki Palmer rides that electric motorcycle to Jupiter’s Hollow or whatever it is. I don’t know. And she does a great motorcycle slide, like right up to this well that we haven’t talked about, but she knows about it because it’s like coin operated and you crank the thing and it takes a picture.
I have no idea how she came up with this idea. I guess she knows that it’s just attracted to moving things. She releases this enormous. Theme park parade balloon of this like animated cowboy and it floats up into the air and it’s all very suspenseful. And eventually the thing, whatever it is, attacks it and eats it.
And she gets her Oprah shot through the well, but then the balloon pops and explodes the whole creature at the end. It served
Tyler: its purpose. And it also. Remind members, you have to create an agreement with a predator. That’s the thing. This thing is a predator. It is an apex predator. And so are we, we cannot exist with a, with a predator that we can’t control.
Therefore we must destroy it to preserve our own life. I am not saying that, that I advocate for killing animals that can kill us. I am just stating that as a evolutionary fact. Uh, we have things floating around in the sky that could snatch us up. They need to be either controlled or taken out.
Craig: And I understand what you’re saying and I don’t disagree at all.
I mean, they were working in survival mode. I would be doing anything that I could to survive too. The only thing that I’m saying is to me, the conclusion felt a little bit contrived. She just figures out to let that balloon go. And then I understand like it eats the balloon, but I don’t know a lot about physics, but if the creature swallowed the whole balloon.
All popping the balloon would do would be release the tension around what’s already containing that air. It’s not like it would cause it to explode. Like a bomb went off in there. Is it
Todd: because of the helium? And was the idea that there was filled with helium? Is that what I don’t, I, I didn’t get that either.
Craig: So I mean, helium is combustible, but maybe it’s more dense than oxygen.
Tyler: Hydrogen is way more flammable, but helium can, uh, under intense pressure. Yeah. They pop a balloon, you feel the force, uh, imagine a balloon that size. Um, under, yeah, but if you
Craig: popped, this is so stupid, but if you popped a balloon with a match, would it, like, if you, I’ve seen that I’ve seen in my science classes when I was in elementary school, they would fill a balloon with hydrogen and then pop it with a match.
And it would like go up in a huge ball of flame, but helium wouldn’t do that. Not that it matters because that’s not what happens. By the way,
Tyler: me coming up with the idea that this thing is a sky creature, we have sea creatures. That move and are weird looking that exist. You ever seen a box jellyfish? What the F?
Craig: Well, and, and certainly, certainly there are still creatures in the sea that we have not discovered. I’m sure that’s true.
Tyler: It’s our hubris to think that just because we look up and we stare and we see it, like, So, I like the idea, One of the things that made me realize last night, Because I always go with the idea that this is a wild animal.
Whether it’s an alien or not, this is an animal. This is not Independence Day. This is not a creature coming to mine for resources or to probe us to figure out what we are or impregnate us. It’s just eating. It’s just eating. I know. It’s just trying to survive like we are. That makes stuff a little bit more simple, but at the same time a little bit more complicated.
It makes us see ourselves a little bit. Yeah. But, there’s one scene. It’s after it sucks up all these humans. I think at that moment with June made an understanding that we are not just like horses, we are more dangerous. We are more nefarious. And from what we can tell of its radius, there’s only one other group of what we are.
And that’s them mother effers over there with the cameras. Cause all of a sudden, lots of things, cause I think it has an instinctive sense when things are looking at it.
Tyler: Yeah. And that either makes it mad or lets it know, Hey, I could eat this thing cause it’s looking at me and it’s alive. Let’s go eat it.
Um, and it can’t eat the cameras, but it knows it’s being watched. So when it gets over their house and opens its maw, you hear those people screaming now in the theater. I thought it was echoing. No, they’re still alive. It’s nightmarish. Until it goes and silences their voices and
Todd: the blood runs down. Joop is the one that caused the trouble in the first place.
I mean, it wasn’t bothering humans until he directed everyone’s gaze towards it. You know, I mean, that was the inciting incident. Yes, but
Tyler: most animals would learn to fear. This thing is asserting dominance. I love that.
Tyler: have not seen that, uh, we have not inter interacted with that as humans for a very, very long time.
Mmm, right. The closest we can get to it is like a shark killing us, but we’re in the water so we expect that. If it gets out and runs at us, that’s different. Or a
Craig: chimp ripping off a lady’s face. A lady that he was Very familiar with, had interacted with many, many times. You know, these things do happen.
You talk about hubris, you know, I think as human beings, we have a lot of hubris and, and think that we are dominant and the top of the food chain. And we forget that these animals have been here as long as we have. And we are just very fortunate that we’ve created our own environments. If we were to find ourselves in their environment, we would not be necessarily at the top of the food chain.
Tyler: It’s a social. Agreement that we have made with the world. Right. And
Craig: we’re dicks about it too. Like that, that’s the other thing. Like we have populated play. God, this is so heady and stupid, but like, you know, we’ve, we’ve urbanized and created these spaces and said to these animals who were here, as long as we’ve been, you’re not allowed here.
And if you come here, we’ll kill you. Even if you’re just coming here. Because you don’t have anywhere else to go and you’re just working on your basic instinct.
Tyler: Yet you have the five year old, uh, to eight year old Tyler who is afraid of spiders but doesn’t want to kill them and has my mom help me pick them up with paper and a glass and set them outside.
So like, yeah, like I kill them now, you know, I’m, I’m old and tired, but at one point in my life, I had an understanding of my, a natural understanding of the world around me. And I think as humans, we And we have an individual connection with the world and we have a social, uh, spacial connection with the world.
And this movie interacts with that on both levels, I’ve noticed.
Todd: Well, and I think too, if you were to take the idea that this is a creature that’s always been here in a way, it’s. It’s just kind of been backed into a corner, right? We have taken over so much of the airspace and, you know, we’re looking up at the sky and monitoring the sky so much that this is maybe one of the few places on earth that it could retreat to where it could be safe.
It could stand, it could be around. How many times did a
Tyler: jet like take out a group of these things?
Craig: I know. I thought about that too, right? And it begs the question. It also begs the question, this surely can’t be the only one. Well, and, oh my god. Every
Tyler: time you see chemtrails, it’s one of them getting torn to pieces.
Oh boy. And Jordan Peele has,
Todd: he has said this, this might not be the end. He said that he had deliberately left some things in there to keep the story open because he feels that there is um, there’s more tales to tell about this. And uh, I’d be, I’d be very, very interested to see if he does end up making a sequel, what that would be like, my God.
Tyler: Speaking of Jordan Peele, um, have you guys ever seen, there’s a YouTube video, there’s only one of them and I hate it, I wish he did more, where it’s just him standing in front of a white screen and he answers seven Reddit questions. About get out and one of them where he flat. He’s like the scene where the girl is eating Cereal and has a cereal in one glass and milk in the other I love that scene because it tells me that she deliberately is not wanting to mix colors and whites and Emphasize your theme of racial and he pauses and looks it goes Dang.
That is brilliant. I did not think about that. I just wanted to show her being a weird girl eating cereal like that. Who eats cereal like that?
Craig: That’s so funny because as an English teacher, like I’m constantly with my students analyzing literature, but I’m, I’m always telling them there’s not a right answer.
The only way that we could know what the author was trying to do is if we could ask them. And we can’t like most of the time we can never ask. them. So all we can do is try to figure out stuff for ourselves. Are we right? Are we wrong? We’ll never know. You
Tyler: know, that’s a part of writing literature, movies, acting spectacle.
It is that like you have, you have the, the person who wrote the book, that’s Or the person who made the movie, or painted the painting. And then you have the audience. People who are looking and getting different reactions. We entered into an agreement. I’m giving you something to listen to, and now you’re listening to it and going to interpret it.
Yeah. And, uh, I see that as the overall theme in this entire movie. Everything from Gordy and, and the show to this thing being looked at for its food or to, to be related to its food and its consumption.
Todd: We’ve been talking about this movie so deeply, but you know, if you’re listening to this, You can be enjoyed in that level, but it also can be enjoyed on just the level of spectacle and entertainment.
It’s a very exciting movie. Oh, yeah. It’s so much fun to watch. These moments where, these sweeping views. He shot this in film. This was the first horror movie apparently shot on IMAX, and it deserved to be, because he’s really, uh, Paying respect to all those great John Wayne westerns that I remember, you know, with these sweeping landscapes, really does justice to what it is like out there.
It’s just gorgeous to behold, but then also adds to the terror of the fact that, like, there’s nowhere to hide from this thing. And so you see, you know, they’re just these scenes of guys tearing off across the landscape, being chased by this thing. You really don’t know what’s gonna happen. You really don’t understand how they’re gonna hide, and how they’re gonna take this thing out.
And it’s just, it’s thrilling too. It’s, it’s a really thrilling movie. Like I said, I felt like it took a little while to get into it, but it wasn’t boring. Once the action starts and, God, probably the last 30 minutes or so are just, can be nail biting. It really can be enjoyed at that level as well. You know, you don’t have to think about all these deep things that we’re talking about to just enjoy it.
It’ll wash over you and you’ll love it anyway, I think.
Tyler: Thank you, Todd. And I, to my, to all the listeners, if you didn’t see all of this crap that I’ve been talking about, that’s fine. That was my, my enjoyment and relationship with it. And it’s mostly, I’m speaking to the people who, who watch. When I see a 1 or a 2 star out of 5 review of this, and I see a 5 page comment section about it, and the first thing I read is, Man, he was great with Get Out, and even Us was awesome, but man, it’s a decline.
And I’m like, okay, you just, you brought in a lot of expectations. Yeah. And you demanded that Jordan Peele give you what you want. He’s an artist. He’s not going to do that. You vibed with what he gave you already. It’s your job now to, if you really want to see the deep stuff, you need to do the work. But if you don’t, turn your brain off and just enjoy a really good visual spectacle.
Craig: Well, and I think that, and I have to admit that I maybe fell into this Pool a little bit. Expecting social commentary. And I’m not suggesting that there’s not social commentary in this film, but especially in get out, obviously, but also in us, there’s a lot of social commentary also dealing specifically with race, not that race isn’t important in this movie, it certainly is.
But I was expecting more of that. And it really becomes, like I said, more of a localized family kind of thing. So it was different, but just because it’s different. Doesn’t mean that it’s not of the same quality. As I said from the beginning, he’s a brilliant filmmaker. My last deep thoughts are, I joked in the beginning, like, you know, this movie is about being seen and our desire for spectacle and to make spectacles of ourselves.
I joked, you know, everybody has a podcast now and it is a joke because it does seem like everybody has a podcast now and that’s fine. When Todd and I got into this, honestly, Todd jokes that I didn’t really know what a podcast was. That’s not entirely untrue. I mean, I knew that they were a thing that existed and I generally knew.
You know what it was, but it’s not why I got into podcasting. I got into podcasting for much the reason that you said you did in that there aren’t really other people in my lives, my life, my life that are really interested in talking about these things, especially going into deep dives about them and I want to, and Todd brought this up and I was like, okay, whatever, we’ll give it a try.
But then as soon as we started, I was like, This is the kind of conversation that I’ve been missing. This is the, I want to have these kinds of conversations and I didn’t think that anybody would be interested. I, uh, shared the first episode with my parents and they’re like, Oh my God, that’s so cool. And that was like the epitome to me, like that my parents would think that I was doing something cool.
And then we, you know, Kept doing it and we kept doing it and people like you and other people started commenting that you Liked it and that you enjoyed it and i’m not gonna lie and pretend that that doesn’t feel good It really does so i’m not gonna pretend that i’m Not a part of what he’s talking about in wanting to be seen.
I do. It feels good. I’m glad you have a good
Tyler: relationship with your parents, Craig. Because I could imagine your dad if he didn’t like you. Hey, you guys want to listen to my loser son? There’s hours of these things. Nerding out on this shit. My dad is the f
Craig: ing coolest. My dad is the f ing coolest. He’s been on the show.
We should have him on the show again. You should. I
Tyler: love the episode when he was on. My parents
Craig: I do get it. Like it’s honest, I swear to God. And, and people can disbelieve me if they want the being seen part, isn’t what drives me. What drives me is hearing from people who say something that you said brought me joy, listening to you makes me feel like I’m having a conversation with a friend.
Like it really, no, it really feels good to know that other people are getting enjoyment out of it. Now, honestly, I don’t know. If we didn’t have people. Contacting us if we didn’t have people following us and stuff, would we keep doing it? There’s a part of me that says, yeah, because I just enjoy talking to Todd and Todd and having a reason to watch these movies and to talk about them every week, but the fact that people connect with it does make a huge, huge difference and I’m so grateful.
I’m grateful to you. Thank you. This has been. Amazing. You’re great. I’m not surprised to hear that you have experience doing this because uh, I mean, you’re right on it. You’re sharp as a tack and it’s, it’s been a, it’s been a great conversation. It’s been a really, I hope
Tyler: in front of me at all. It’s all natural.
Craig: Well, I, I hope that you’ll, you’ll join us again sometime in the future.
Tyler: Absolutely. Could I add one little thing before we finish? Because I, I cannot believe I forgot to bring him up. The only white man in this movie and my favorite character, M. O. J. They’re amazing. June, incredible. But Michael Wincok
Craig: He’s great. There was a whole other character. We didn’t talk about it all either, right? Like the tech guy. It was great, too.
Craig: fantastic. I thought he was fucking hilarious. I want to be in this
Tyler: movie and I’m going to keep coming back. I told you not to look at our shit. I know, I know. But. I did it anyway.
So look, let me, we’re friends now and
Craig: I’m just going to hang out at your house all the time.
Tyler: I’m on your podcast now. I just keep tapping in like, but Antler Holst guys, like he like, cause Angel’s comedy relief, you need him in there. You need him to like, uh, say what the audience is like, kind of thinking Antler’s Holst.
Yes, you could take him out a hundred percent,
Craig: but don’t you dare. Oh no, you can also give him his own movie easily. Oh yeah. I would so watch a movie about that guy. Would you,
Tyler: would you get, I remembered him because what are you brought up that Jordan Peele shot this on film? And I just remembered him going, you know, this man’s going to be brought up in here with a, with a non electrical camera.
Todd: When he, when he dramatically recited Purple People Eater, I about fell out of my chair. That was the funniest part of the movie to me. Just brilliant. We, you know,
Craig: we, we, we really haven’t, we haven’t done justice. The actors in this movie are amazing. Kiki Palmer is a fucking queen. Like, she is Hilarious and totally believable.
And she and Daniel Kaluuya, their sibling relationship was so believable and relatable to me, like they, they could, you know,
Tyler: I’m sorry. You know, that moment in a film when you just like, okay, am I going to, cause I knew it was going to be about the two of them. And I’m like, am I going to be down for this?
Am I, are they going to start to grade on me? The second. He stopped when she’s like raiding dad’s liquor cabinet, and he turns and goes, I got that happy weed, you know, okay.
Craig: All right. Yes, that moment because they had been, they had been like arguing and disagreeing and he had been so sullen and she had been trying to be cool and like, why aren’t you fun?
And then he says that and then immediately. The dynamic changes and that’s so the way that it is with people that you are so close to and you so love like you can be in such a shitty mood and you know that they get it and then it just takes one moment to change it that and the moment. I don’t remember exactly when it was, but it was, I think.
Maybe at the same time that she talked about, you know, I knew he was going to have that camera and they look at each other and beat their chests and, and fist bump each other. Like that was so a sibling moment that I believed 100 percent and I knew that these folks We’re right or die like it was just so believable
Tyler: when antlers Holst kills himself basically for no Reason the thing like I half of me was laughing because it was so funny where he’s just like it’s gonna be Glorious.
He’s like, uh guys Uh, Hull’s saying a bunch of creepy, cryptic shit, and he just grabbed his camera and ran up the side of the mountain. And I’m like, oh man, I knew it. I knew something was wrong with that. Like, Kiki gives this look of like, oh crap, he’s about to do some weird artist shit, isn’t he? And I’m like It was great.
Oh, I just, I had to bring it up because it, it, it’s such a, it’s such a joy because you keep thinking the movie’s going to end, but it doesn’t, it, it just keeps ramping up and uh, like, and by the way, uh, props to Jordan Peele for not killing Angel. I thought for sure he was going to get bisect or like torn apart by all that barbed wire.
Yeah. Sacrificing himself. Me
Craig: supposed to die. He was scripted to die. They made the decision not to kill him.
Tyler: He’s too likable. Mm hmm. I did. I’m so glad he’s
Craig: alive. And he’s so funny because he’s that lovable douche that you love, like with those that dumb, like bleached hair with the. Inch of roots showing like he’s such a douche, but he’s such a lovable douche.
Like I would so be friends with that guy. I would go to his apartment and smoke weed and do virtual reality.
Tyler: My, uh, my boss is going to ask for a survey and five stars, ain’t five stars. All right. I’m leaving now. Bye. Kiki
Craig: Palmer. If you’re listening, I’m a huge fan. You’re fucking hilarious. Come be on our show.
Tyler: And he plays Angel. Come on to the show, please. Because, like, when he goes, like, Well, I guess you’re all crashing at my place tonight Because, you know, you totally can.
Craig: Hilarious. It’s a funny movie. It’s a really fun, it’s fun and it’s funny and it’s blockbuster. If you didn’t have the opportunity to see it in theaters, like we said before, like try, if you can, to set yourself up, watch it in a dark room on a big screen.
Um, because that’s where you’re at with either the sound turned all the way up, or like Tyler said, some sound canceling headphones, because the score adds a lot to it, but, um, the visuals are. Breathtaking, uh, throughout really, but especially at the end. Uh, and I will agree that this is not my favorite of his movies.
It’s, it’s just not, but I did enjoy it. I was very entertained. Um, it is worth the watch 100%.
Todd: Yeah. Tyler, thank you so much for joining us here, um, and thank you for your patronage, everything. It was so great having you on here. Great to have this other perspective, have a third voice in here, so that people don’t have to listen to Craig and I rambling on and on for this episode.
Tyler: As someone who’s trying to start creating, I always, I’ve been asking every friend, every family member I have, hey, if I know you, you can be a guest. And they’re like, I’ve never been on a podcast before, I don’t know how to do it. That’s great. Uh, because you’re going to be my window to my audience.
Todd: Oh, that’s fantastic.
Tyler: can ask those dumb questions that I won’t think about.
Todd: Well, hope to have you on again so you can plug that podcast. Uh, when’s it going up?
Tyler: It is currently in, uh, development. I promise it, you will know about it and hear it before The next avatar movie that gives me about 10 years. Uh, I had to take, I had to take, uh, some time off, uh, to fix some stuff in my personal life.
I, this is a work of passion, but it’s called black and white all night. The title came first, the podcast came second because the title was so perfect. Um, I will review. Any form of the black and white medium, uh, it’s going to be bi monthly. And first part is basically, it’s going to be two parts. First part of the episode is going to be me giving history, story, background information.
Where you can watch it. I will not choose something that cannot be found. Then the next part will be me and a guest. Wonderful. Going through what we love about it. And, uh, yeah, just, I, I always feel with black and white, people either see it as artsy or pretentious. Or old. So therefore not relatable. And not only is that not true, it gives you something that kind of gets taken away with color.
But also gets at it because one of the questions I’ll always ask in every episode is Will this be helped or hurt by a colorization?
Todd: Hmm. I think it sounds fascinating. I think your first episode should be pie by Darren Aronofsky followed by Ed Wood, Tim Burton, and then you should just start at the beginning of everything Vincent Price has ever done and just plow through that Yeah, that’s my suggestion to you
And, and, and I’m, I’m, I’m sure Tyler was dying for your feedback, . Yeah, I know. No, I could, I could
Todd: hear, I could hear your pen moving on the, on the paper. Yeah. Taking notes. I could hear that
Tyler: write it down right down. No,
Craig: but whenever you get that up and running, let us know. We would love to give you a shout out and, uh, if you ever want to do a crossover episode or Yeah.
Have one of us on as a guest. We would be, I think, when I say we would be thrilled. Uh, absolutely.
Todd: Well, thanks again for joining us and thank you guys out there for listening. If you enjoyed this one, please share it with a friend. That’s the best thing you could do for us. Also a great thing we’d love for you to do is go and give an honest review everywhere that, uh, our podcast is or wherever you happen to be listening, like on the Apple podcast site, you can go to our website, chainsaw horror.
com and give us feedback, especially Well Google US two guys in a chainsaw podcast. Find us wherever we are, as well as, uh, find our Patreon at patreon.com/chainsaw podcast. Obviously, Tyler’s a patron. We love our patrons. We have a lot of great stuff behind the scenes. This episode, is gonna be at least half an hour longer for our patrons.
We have had a lot to talk about. So, uh, if you want to hear the nitty gritty of everything that we chatted about, uh, please go back, uh, stage and, uh, consider supporting us that way and becoming part of the crew. It’s a lot of fun. We put out mini sows. We do a lot of fun stuff for our patrons. Uh, it’s a blast.
So, thank you so much for your, uh, for listening. Tyler, once again, thank you for joining us. I am Todd. I’m Craig. And I’m Tyler. With Two Guys and a Chainsaw.
